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Ruffed Grouse Hunting and Habitat

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Re: Ruffed Grouse Hunting and Habitat

I agree. The grouse are out there, you just have to walk and you will find them.
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I agree that the article is trying to put as happy a face on the issue as possible. The simple fact is that the hunting is not as good as it was in the 70's, 80's, or even the 90's. Sure, if you spend the time and locate the remaining decent cover the flush rate can be good but the ever shrinking size of that decent cover concentrates the group effort (hunters).
I've been disappointed overall with the efforts of the PGC in support of ruffed grouse over the past thirty years. No question in my mind that lack of suitable habitat is the primary problem. I know I spend a lot more hours per year scouting new spots and miles driven than I did in the 70's & 80's to see grouse.
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Re: Ruffed Grouse Hunting and Habitat

Gentlemen,
Please understand politcs is the real problem.
Habitat not managed properly on public lands is due to politics, law suits by communist tree huggers has influenced even the PGC. They even try to stop private land owners from harvesting forests. Biologist like Bill Palmer have been forced to retire because of this rotten politics. Unless the young sportsman wake up and start fighting back, prime habitat will continue to shrink,
one of the most dangerous situations to hunting & Pa's SGL is the multi-usage garbage that has now started. The SGL needs to be managed for hunting and nothing else.
We have plenty of State Parks in Pa for the none hunters to play on, in which they have outlawed dog training.
However these same people want to use the SGL for their nonhunting private play grounds. Young hunters better wake up or their hunting habitat will continue to shrink.
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Re: Ruffed Grouse Hunting and Habitat

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I agree that the article is trying to put as happy a face on the issue as possible. The simple fact is that the hunting is not as good as it was in the 70's, 80's, or even the 90's. Sure, if you spend the time and locate the remaining decent cover the flush rate can be good but the ever shrinking size of that decent cover concentrates the group effort (hunters).
I've been disappointed overall with the efforts of the PGC in support of ruffed grouse over the past thirty years. No question in my mind that lack of suitable habitat is the primary problem. I know I spend a lot more hours per year scouting new spots and miles driven than I did in the 70's & 80's to see grouse.
I totally agree that the grouse aren't as widespread as they were in the 70's & 80's. I also believe we have turned the corner on creating early successional habitat on PA State Gamelands and that the next 20 years are going to be much better than the last 20 years were. PA_Sportman is doing his best to ensure that is the case.
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I totally agree that the grouse aren't as widespread as they were in the 70's & 80's. I also believe we have turned the corner on creating early successional habitat on PA State Gamelands and that the next 20 years are going to be much better than the last 20 years were. PA_Sportman is doing his best to ensure that is the case.
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dap,
I agree Biologists like PGC's Eric Miller are helping a lot, they know forest management and along with some of our SFL biologist and foresters things in the forest management area are looking up, when we can keep the fool politicians out of the biologist way. My brother is an industrail forester, he was trained to mange forest to make money, I do wish the PGC would reach out to these highly experienced Industrial Foresters, in my brothers case he has 40 plus years of forest management experience, it would help our SGL & SFL foresters greatly.
Eric Miller has his hands full making sure forests are cut and managed properly, because of old wives tails believed by some of the PGC land supervisors and inforcement people along with underhanded politics these real PGC biologist have their hands full each and every day they go to work. My family has nothing but respect for these incredible PGC Biologist, they are saving our forest habitat a little at a time using proper forest management techniques.


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I totally agree that the grouse aren't as widespread as they were in the 70's & 80's. I also believe we have turned the corner on creating early successional habitat on PA State Gamelands and that the next 20 years are going to be much better than the last 20 years were. PA_Sportman is doing his best to ensure that is the case.
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Re: Ruffed Grouse Hunting and Habitat

I can say where I hunt there has been alot of cutting going on the last five years. I feel very positive about that.
One thing I never understood about the environmentalists, arent trees a renewable resource? What could possibly be their argument against cutting?
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