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Interesting Read On the Predator Problem

I just read a new article on Quail and Predators published in The Spring Issue of NC's Upland Gazette. I found it interesting so I thought I would pass it on.

It is in pdf format. You can reach it here

http://bringbackbobwhites.org/strategy/n...tte-spring-2013

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Bird Chaser,
After reading the article, I disagree with it and still believe predators should be placed on equal footing with all other game animals, & birds and seasons developed to hunt them
in appropriated numbers, from each states game commissions.
The old illegal treaties that only the USA enforces, should be completely eliminated. They have nothing to due with trade, so the treaty is Unconstitutional, the Feds in the Liberal Carter era, over stepped their authority, in making them.
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Re: Interesting Read On the Predator Problem

Are raptors protected in Canada or Mexico?
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Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) (16
U.S.C. 703
et seq.
), which implements
conventions with Great Britain (for
Canada), Mexico, Japan, and the Soviet
Union (Russia). Raptors (birds of prey)
are afforded Federal protection by the
1972 amendment to the Convention for
the Protection of Migratory Birds

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I agree with you Pine Tree; however, the article seems to confirm my fears that regardless of the impact raptors have on our small game population, the political issues involved with set seasons for raptors would be extremely challenging and very difficult with today's social environment. My grandfather's generation had a difficult enough time protecting their chickens from the raptors even without the treaties in place.

Ever wonder what would happen if enough Farmers, Game Farms and Shooting Preserve owners applied for a Depredation Permit? After all their farms are their lively hood. The latest
on the Amish Farmer can be found here:
http://lancasteronline.com/article/l...-of-eagle.html

Pennsylvania Depredation Code:
http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/05...bchapVtoc.html

North Carolina's Depredation Code:
http://www.ncwildlife.org/Licensing/...predation.aspx

[Summary of North Carolina's Depredation Code]
Wildlife Depredation refers to wildlife causing property damage. Depredation wildlife may be taken both with and without a permit under certain conditions. How one should dispose of the wildlife taken as a result of depredation depends on the species taken and whether or not a Depredation Permit was issued.

Wildlife Taken with a Depredation Permit:

A state Depredation Permit is required for taking wildlife causing damage except under the conditions mentioned above. The only exception is that pigeons, starlings, and English sparrows do not require a state permit. To obtain a depredation permit, contact the Division of Wildlife Management Office (919) 707-0050, your local Wildlife Biologist, Enforcement Officer, or any one of the over 160 licensed commercial Wildlife Damage Control Agents in the state. Contact your local Cooperative Extension Office, Division of Wildlife Management, or click on the following link for a current list of Wildlife Damage Control Agents.

Depredation Permits are free of charge. (Wildlife Damage Control Agents are not officials of the Wildlife Commission and may charge for their time associated with a wildlife damage investigation or animal removal) Each permit must be issued to the landholders but a second party may be listed to actually take the wildlife causing damage. Permits will list species, county, specific location, property damaged, number to taken, expiration date, method used, and other restrictions. You should ask the issuing party about proper disposal of the animals taken under a Depredation Permit if not shown under other restrictions on the permit itself.

Depredation Permits for Big Game species, endangered, threatened, or special concern will only be issued by an official of the Wildlife Resources Commission. Wildlife Damage Control Agents are not allowed to issue permits for these species. Big Game taken under a Depredation Permit must be reported on the form provided.

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Bird Chaser,
After reading the article, I disagree with it and still believe predators should be placed on equal footing with all other game animals, & birds and seasons developed to hunt them
in appropriated numbers, from each states game commissions.
The old illegal treaties that only the USA enforces, should be completely eliminated. They have nothing to due with trade, so the treaty is Unconstitutional, the Feds in the Liberal Carter era, over stepped their authority, in making them.
Pine Creek/Dave
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Should have been called the habitat problem
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Re: Interesting Read On the Predator Problem

Fretting over raptors is a waste of time but magazines need column filler.
Raptor impact, on gamebirds especially, tracks habitat quality and quantity as well as the position their prey species occupies on a decline curve.
Might as well add the habitat's position on raptor migration corridors.
Always has been that way....hand and glove....and always will.
Federal raptor protection exists for legitimate reasons and can simply be a too easy route to rant out one's frustration with the Feds, or Life, in general.
I would prefer seeing fewer raptors at times, yes.
However, I would also prefer to see fewer deer....and fewer people and fewer houses and few Leased signs.
Essentially, more important factors re gamebirds are afoot.
But, we all know that, now don't we?

Nest predators boom and bust but their numbers can be and are now quickly increased, perhaps are even maintained, in areas where food for other animals is daily set upon a woodland table.
That situation is also untouchable for reasons far less understandable and far more sad.

GBE was correct....decades ago.

Rory has a good owner now....lucky lad.

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