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A very profound and enlightening presentation that is well worth watching for anyone who is at all concerned about wildlife, land resources and the viable future of humans on this planet. Modern industrial agricultural practices are desertifying our planet


http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_ho...ate_change.html
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Very interesting video. I think it would be nice to see if people talk about this on a large scale.
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Very interesting
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Great perspective from an angle we never hear. Thanks for posting and advancing my education, cmrosko!
That's lot of dead elephants on his shoulders.
One thing he didn't talk about that I thought would come up is the "no till" planting. I don't see Pheasants hiding in the weeds in the corn like I did when I was a kid.

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Interesting presentation. I still wonder how you can graze animals on bare ground to start the process. Artificial feeding would get it going but he said it wasn't needed.
Unless you move from a grassland area to the bare ground as dung and urine don't come from bare dirt.

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Re: The Only Sustainable Solution to Modern AG Systems

Gentlemen,
Not only is this man wrong about our fuels, he is also wrong about the deserts actually growing, especially here in the USA. Fracking alone has proven him wrong about our fuel wealth, and we have more farmable land here in the USA than we had in the opening of our country. This man and Al Gore are both liberal nut cases, there is no such thing as man made Global warming or climate change. This man is part of a political sham to steal your freedom, money and your private property.
This is the kind of unproven science & UN indoctronation that is being taught to our kids, so they will accept socialism & communism, giving up their private property and individual freedom. This stuff is pure green garbage.
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Here's a link to Allen Savory's research organization; http://www.savoryinstitute.com/

He states that each desertified region must be studied and treated according to the peculiarities of that specific place. It seems that he works mostly with semi arid regions that have become "desertified" through human involvement over time. Most of the examples that I've seen him present have at least some minimal degree of plant life still present. It seems that in areas with the most intense desertification the herd animals which are introduced might also have some form of supplemental food added so get the process kick started. It seems there is no use of artificial fertilizer, supposedly it all comes from feces and urine of densely herded grazing animals moving across the land.

The premise is pretty basic and logical. Use densely packed grazing herd animals constantly moving across the landscape to revitalize it. The practice follows hundreds of thousands of years of actions that nature used to develop rich life giving landscapes. Human interruptions of this process has led to desertification of many places throughout the ages. The evidence is direct and obvious. He has successfully implemented these practices in many regions of the world with valid and proven documentation.

To deny the logic of his premise is ridiculous and shortsighted. Undoubtedly a denuded land mass is going to be hotter drier, more void of nutrients and life than one that is covered with a richly diversified and thriving biomass.

Similar sustainable ag practices in the U.S. have proved to produce higher crop and livestock yields per acre with higher nutrient levels in the plants and animals that grow on those sustainable ag practice landscapes. Added to this there is also a greater abundance of wildlife such as pheasants and other ground nesting birds present.
See Brown's Ranch in North Dakota;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKsZHy4h658
http://www.brownsranch.us/
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Junk science has been used to supposidly prove global warming, now climate change also, your problem is you actually believe this junk science, you might want to look into this mans back ground and political affiliations.
There are many ways to help wild life and farming practices,
his stance on fuels alone shows what he really is, this foolish uneducated stance alone, discredits him totally. You young guys who buy into this junk sciense, that undermines our countries wealth, have all gone to the same kind of socialist public schools and universities, that preach anti-capitalism and communism.
I say again Fracking alone proves his theory on declining fuels, is junk science. We are not only sustainable in our fuel here in the USA, we actually have more fuel than the rest of the world combined. That sir is absolute fact.
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The fella in the video has had a lifetime of views somewhat extreme.
Whether his theories re African grasslands are applicable to the U.S. I doubt. At least, on any scale that would be important or practical.
Perhaps a tool in the box but, little more.

Re hydraulic fracturing....from the Marcellus and Utica and on to the Bakken....many eggs are being basketed a bit early by those with little knowledge but North America does possess considerable energy resources from coal to hydrocarbons to the more easily digestable but limited in practicality recently popular ones.

Lot of guff is being spread on all sides re various energy and environmental agendas.
Good that folks are looking and considering but the Internet can be a bit too much of a surfer's paradise.
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Topsoil</span> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsoil

[<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Conventional agriculture encourages the depletion of topsoil because the soil must be plowed and replanted each year. The United States alone loses more than 3 tons of topsoil per acre per year on agricultural land...</span></span>("Summary Report, 2007 Natural Resources Inventory," Natural Resources Conservation Services, U. S. Department of Agriculture, December 2009, p. 97)]

<span style="font-weight: bold">Hagstrom Report</span> <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">The Environmental Working Group has issued a report concluding that Iowa farms are losing precious topsoil up to 12 times faster than government estimates</span></span>






<span style="font-weight: bold">“If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.”</span>

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