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post #51 of 59 (permalink) Old 12-14-2019, 04:21 PM
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The other day I had a REALLY dumb doe leaning against the side of my house under the overhang. I think she was actually trying to get out of the rain ! :
"Really dumb"? Seems to me she was the smart one, using the over hang of your roof as a rain shelter. The dumb ones were the others out there getting soaked by the rain.
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Why don't you start a thread called "hawksandowlsandhawksandowlandhawksandowlsanhawksa ndowlsandhawksandowlsandhawksandowls" and post this gibberish over there ?
Sorry if the facts bother you. How is the wild pheasant population in your area? I would not call controlling predators based on their numbers gibberish, has been done with otter, fisher and bobcat here in PA. Also done with doe tags, kind of just common sense wildlife management.
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Sorry if the facts bother you. How is the wild pheasant population in your area? I would not call controlling predators based on their numbers gibberish, has been done with otter, fisher and bobcat here in PA. Also done with doe tags, kind of just common sense wildlife management.
If we had no or few hawks, the pheasant population population numbers would be no better! It is habitat, which is sadly lacking. With good habitat, raptors make a small dent, they are not the cause as you continue to push. You cannot have a pheasant population with clean farming practices, period!
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"Really dumb"? Seems to me she was the smart one, using the over hang of your roof as a rain shelter. The dumb ones were the others out there getting soaked by the rain.
Ha ! You have a point there. She was also smart enough to know the dogs were stuck in the house and couldn't get after her. But I thought deer were waterproof...… g ?

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Yes, the facts do not change over time. So you may just hear it 25 more times. No liberal twist here. Just a guy telling the truth, Talk is cheap, and that is alright as long as it is the truth. Common sense would be, that if you want the pheasant reintroduction to actually work, you recognize the main mortality factors, in this case raptor predation. As was the case, they are federally protected and nothing was done about the problem and the pheasants were wiped out of most areas. When the mortality problem is not resolved, you have a reduction in numbers, unless reproduction numbers are higher than mortality numbers.

The fact is there wasn't switch grass at the time of wild pehasants in PA. The fact is it was not needed, as there was great habitat across the state regardless of switch grass. There is very little switch grass where I hunt in ND, and yet there are wild pheasants. They have habitat. Continuous habitat. As in whole squares of corn and cattails that take the place of switch grass.
So yes, it is habitat driven.
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The habitat was set up in the pheasant restoration areas, from input by the bioligists, and other qualified people. It was set up in a limited area, and as such, no one really expected the birds to multiply to areas outside of the great habitat. How ever even with the custom habitat, the pheasants in most areas were decimated by raptors. Contrary to some beliefs predators are still able to influence game numbers, even in great habit. Non believers, look no farther than what the wolves have done out west. And if habitat is so poor why do the predators seem to be able to do so well?
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The habitat was set up in the pheasant restoration areas, from input by the bioligists, and other qualified people. It was set up in a limited area, and as such, no one really expected the birds to multiply to areas outside of the great habitat. How ever even with the custom habitat, the pheasants in most areas were decimated by raptors. Contrary to some beliefs predators are still able to influence game numbers, even in great habit. Non believers, look no farther than what the wolves have done out west. And if habitat is so poor why do the predators seem to be able to do so well?
Um, not really true. Habitat was the limiting factor in pretty much all of the WPRAs. I did the flushing surveys for a few years in both the Central Susquehanna Valley and Hegins-Gratz Valley and where there was habitat there were wild pheasants and let me say that they are MUCH better at evading dogs and humans than any holdover stocked bird.
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There were several areas for pheasant recovery. Are all the areas in the recovery areas still holding birds. I thought that the game commission gave up on the recovery efforts because they failed. But understand that one area still has some birds and a junior hunt. What I basically understood was that even with all the great habitat, the raptors still were able to inflict heavy losses, and the reproduction rate apparently was not greater than the mortality rate caused by predators, thus a reduction in pheasant numbers, in some cased total elimination. If you go back to I believe 2012 and look at some discussion between me and Lynn Appleman, I stated that even with the great habitat the raptors would eventually wipe out the pheasants, and that seems to be the case.
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Smh.
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