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Lisa Williams on The Hunting Dog Podcast

Ron Boehme of the Hunting Dog Podcast interviewed Lisa Williams to discuss grouse and West Nile virus. The episode is called the future of grouse vs west Nile and is free to download. Just an FYI for those that may be interested.
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LW needs to get off her high horse and stop trying to make her claim to fame on WNV and grouse.

Has she ever shot a grouse? Does she even go grouse hunting? I'm betting the answers are NO and NO. So basically she is an armchair biologist with no real world experience. There are poor areas of grouse hunting in the state, good areas, and excellent areas. What she needs to do is put down her pencil pull on a pair of chaps and spend days hunting different areas of the state to see what is happening on the ground. Then she has to have the guts to stand up to 8 idiot commissioners and the rest of the GC staff and stand up for grouse hunters for a change. Restricting hunting in not the answer and never will be.
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Plenty of scouting and good habitat makes for a great hunt.

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LW needs to get off her high horse and stop trying to make her claim to fame on WNV and grouse.

Has she ever shot a grouse? Does she even go grouse hunting? I'm betting the answers are NO and NO. So basically she is an armchair biologist with no real world experience. There are poor areas of grouse hunting in the state, good areas, and excellent areas. What she needs to do is put down her pencil pull on a pair of chaps and spend days hunting different areas of the state to see what is happening on the ground. Then she has to have the guts to stand up to 8 idiot commissioners and the rest of the GC staff and stand up for grouse hunters for a change. Restricting hunting in not the answer and never will be.
That is your opinion. Fortunately it is an opinion that most people don't share.

Wildlife research can provide the CORRECT answers whether the research includes hunting or not.

I believe you would also find that Lisa has both hunted and harvested grouse. You would probably have known that if you took the time to become well informed on subjects before you just spouted off incorrect assumptions and opinions.

And by the way, it is not her job to stand up for grouse hunters. Her job is to stand up for what is best for the resource and the future for not only grouse hunters but all hunters.

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I just watched this webinar that PGC just did. Very interesting how they're using mapping and GIS to guide habitat work. There is also a link in the description to the public version of G-PAST system that they've created.
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interesting link and info thanks for posting
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LW needs to get off her high horse and stop trying to make her claim to fame on WNV and grouse.

Has she ever shot a grouse? Does she even go grouse hunting? I'm betting the answers are NO and NO. So basically she is an armchair biologist with no real world experience. There are poor areas of grouse hunting in the state, good areas, and excellent areas. What she needs to do is put down her pencil pull on a pair of chaps and spend days hunting different areas of the state to see what is happening on the ground. Then she has to have the guts to stand up to 8 idiot commissioners and the rest of the GC staff and stand up for grouse hunters for a change. Restricting hunting in not the answer and never will be.

No she is a real biologist and hunters that do not have the schooling are the ones that are the armchair biologist. Waugh!

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Ha, i might be an armchair biologist, but i also know where and what type of habitat I/we have been finding grouse the past 3 years in numbers far greater than I've been told is possible. If I went by LWs predictions I'd either spend all my time hunting out of state or trade in my setters for beagles. But its fun reading RSBs doom and gloom about grouse while killing a bunch a stone's throw from his back door.

Plenty of scouting and good habitat makes for a great hunt.

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I will say I love the affirmation of increasing the logging. But, I think the G-Past is not the correct route to take. Some of the most productive covers I have hunted are in areas that would be in West Nile danger zones and the last thing we want is to decrease logging in those areas. These areas are generally relatively fertile and bounce back quick from any disturbance, such as WNV. High mountain covers can often hold decent populations of birds, but they are less fertile and therefore limit overall population capacity. The approach should emphasis forest continuity and linking good public with good private land as much as possible regardless of West Nile probability.
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Ha, i might be an armchair biologist, but i also know where and what type of habitat I/we have been finding grouse the past 3 years in numbers far greater than I've been told is possible. If I went by LWs predictions I'd either spend all my time hunting out of state or trade in my setters for beagles. But its fun reading RSBs doom and gloom about grouse while killing a bunch a stone's throw from his back door.
Certainly we still have some of the best grouse populations in this area. We also have some of the best grouse habitat. That does not mean that grouse populations are anyway near what they once were or should be. Nor does it mean the future for grouse isn't rather tentative right now.

Unfortunately though there are those who don't really give a darn about the future of the resource and only care about how much time they can spend hunt them. Those are generally the same people who don't care and completely discount what Biologists and resource managers learn through their research.

Everyone has to decide which side of that aisle they choose to walk.

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Mr.Bodenhorn,I just got back from the George Washington National Forest in Virginia near Harrisonburg... I was seeing ALOT of grouse and I am coming to the assumption that the WNV is not killing the grouse the PA biologists are saying it is...I think that PA has a lot of predators and we need better habitat such as the clear cutting on game lands...The National Forest has very little timber harvesting done but the ground level vegetation is very thick...
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