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Pheasant Program Costs

This was included in the PGC annual report to the House. Decided to start another thread.

"Speaking of pheasants, our changes to the pheasant-propagation program were very successful. We underwent complete restructuring of the production model of our pheasant-propagation program by cutting our propagation farms from four to two and furloughing half of the pheasant-propagation staff. A major change in our production model was purchasing day-old pheasant chicks from a local Pennsylvania producer instead of holding over our own laying hens and incubating the eggs.

"And it worked. Prior to the restructuring, pheasant propagation cost the agency approximately $4.4 million resulting in a production cost of $19.87 per bird. For the fiscal year 2018-19, propagation costs are projected to be $2.3 million resulting in a production cost of $10.23 per bird. In addition, the Game Commissionís new pheasant permit provided over $1.1 million (42,844 permits) in new revenue to help support costs. This brings the overall net expense for pheasant propagation to less than $1.2 million for the fiscal year 2018-19 season.

"And more good news; the Game Commission has applied for a grant through the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to bring our total number of birds released back to 220,000 birds. Pheasant hunters should look forward to an outstanding season.

"The Pennsylvania Game Commission distinguishes its statutory responsibility to protect wildlife as its most critical role in conservation. We roll up our sleeves every day and work diligently to meet wildlifeís challenges head-on. After all, the future of hunting, trapping, and wildlife conservation is at stake.

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This is good news but I hope they reconsider allowing birds on Hunter Access fields if the habitat is suitable. Some areas have limited gamelands options.
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This is good news but I hope they reconsider allowing birds on Hunter Access fields if the habitat is suitable. Some areas have limited gamelands options.
Agreed. We have some farms here with really large tracts of CREP fields.
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Thanks for the Post!

Looks like we can look forward to another good season, hopefully for years to come!
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Just over $10/bird, and a total net expense of 1.2 mil now. Wow. Incredible savings, and in a very short amount of time. The program DEFINITELY shouldn't have many detractors now, as that is a minimal cost for such a worthy product. Shouldn't be much to grouse about (did I just say that ?) now, right ?
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If the costs have been reduced that much and they're still able to provide the quality program I think they do then I think they've indeed worked hard and succeeded in being fiscally responsible with the program while still providing an enjoyable opportunity for many.

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This was included in the PGC annual report to the House. Decided to start another thread.............

"And it worked. Prior to the restructuring, pheasant propagation cost the agency approximately $4.4 million resulting in a production cost of $19.87 per bird. For the fiscal year 2018-19, propagation costs are projected to be $2.3 million resulting in a production cost of $10.23 per bird. In addition, the Game Commissionís new pheasant permit provided over $1.1 million (42,844 permits) in new revenue to help support costs. This brings the overall net expense for pheasant propagation to less than $1.2 million for the fiscal year 2018-19 season.


The proceeds from the pheasant permit last year were to offset that years cost. Here the permits sold in 2017/18 are offsetting 2018/19.. They need to sell that many again next year. If they do match this past seasons sales (most likely will), the program is still 48,000..$25 permits shy of breaking even.
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I'm not a big fan of put and take hunting..I'd rather pursue hunt and trap wild critters and birds. But the costs appear to be coming down, and with extra revenues being generated, I don't see where there's much left to complain about. I never felt that the pheasant program had to be totally self funding...I said in a prior post that a 50/50 blend of permit to general fund revenue would seem correct. There is a value in the program and it is hard to pin down what that value is to the hunting culture in the state. Those who want to hunt stocked pheasants, knock yourself out. It's not affecting my hunting, although it does kinda eliminate a lot of SGLs from responsible canine trapping. Particularly since the season is now open through late February. Me, I'll stick to chasing squirrels and trapping elsewhere. But to each, their own.

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I'm not a big fan of put and take hunting..I'd rather pursue hunt and trap wild critters and birds. But the costs appear to be coming down, and with extra revenues being generated, I don't see where there's much left to complain about. I never felt that the pheasant program had to be totally self funding...I said in a prior post that a 50/50 blend of permit to general fund revenue would seem correct. There is a value in the program and it is hard to pin down what that value is to the hunting culture in the state. Those who want to hunt stocked pheasants, knock yourself out. It's not affecting my hunting, although it does kinda eliminate a lot of SGLs from responsible canine trapping. Particularly since the season is now open through late February. Me, I'll stick to chasing squirrels and trapping elsewhere. But to each, there own.
This is pretty much how I feel. Also if anyone would attend a youth pheasant hunt they would see that it does hold value for youth hunters.


As a side note, there is a benefit to agencies and businesses when they go thru periods of lean finances. It forces them to look at cutting costs instead of just doing it the way they have always done it. This is a prime example of cutting the costs by about 50%.
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