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No Post Christmas grouse season -2018/19

Lisa Williams, the PGC grouse biologist recommended that there be no post Christmas grouse hunting for the 2018/19 license year. She is also suggesting that the state be split into North and South WMU's, with possible differing season lengths. The North zone would comprise WMU's 1B, 2F, 2G, 2H, 3A, 3B and 3C.

Going forward, the season lengths will be based on 3 factors.
- PGC grouse cooperator flush rate data
- Forest Cooperator Brood surveys
- WNV surveillance (and prevalence)

In "good" year for the above 3 factors, there would be 4 weeks post Christmas. In an "average" year, 1 week after Christmas. In a "poor" year, no post Christmas season.

The Grouse biologist's presentation to the PGC Board of Commissions meeting can be viewed as the first 18 minutes of the following video:


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There will never be an extended season in the south zone again. Chances in the north zone are once in every 50 years.

I was ROFLMAO when the one clown commissioner asked about spraying to slow WNV. It would be far cheaper to hire 10 foresters to mark trees for timbering and we'd be far ahead for many years with improved habitat. And to think these are the people who get to approve all the agency decisions.
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Plenty of scouting and good habitat makes for a great hunt.

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There will never be an extended season in the south zone again.
I agree that using the parameters she showed, the southern management zone will not see post Christmas hunting. Two things though that I think are possible.

1) There could be other WMU's included in the north zone (and lobbying in the form of emails to the BOC and the grouse biologist may help).
2) If there is no population recovery after a certain period of time, the PGC may realize that hunting mortality is not additive and restore the post Christmas season (as she referenced at the 10:19 mark of the presentation).
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I agree that using the parameters she showed, the southern management zone will not see post Christmas hunting. Two things though that I think are possible.

1) There could be other WMU's included in the north zone (and lobbying in the form of emails to the BOC and the grouse biologist may help).
2) If there is no population recovery after a certain period of time, the PGC may realize that hunting mortality is not additive and restore the post Christmas season (as she referenced at the 10:19 mark of the presentation).
Did they say that hunting was additive? I think the stand last year was that it was not but every little bit helps. Waugh!

Ya lets spray and kill all the bugs so the birds starve to death. Wow.
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Did they say that hunting was additive? I think the stand last year was that it was not but every little bit helps. Waugh!
She did not say that hunting was additive. The reason given for closing the late season was that a higher percentage of the harvest adult birds.

My note: I don't really understand that reasoning, since all grouse are sexually mature and able to breed in the spring.
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This comes as no surprise, it's what we've been saying !
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Did they say that hunting was additive? I think the stand last year was that it was not but every little bit helps. Waugh!
She did not say that hunting was additive. The reason given for closing the late season was that a higher percentage of the harvest is adult birds.

My note: I don't really understand that reasoning, since all grouse are sexually mature and able to breed in the spring.
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What a sickening dog and pony show. How much are they spending to fund grouse/WNV research and habitat improvement (not to mention the disappearing bat species that fall under the PGC stewardship) versus the unfunded stocking of non-native pheasants? Despicable decison making and negligent wildlife stewardship.
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She says they are starting to gather the data to know where specifically the virus is hitting hard versus where it has a lesser impact. Well, bravo, that is disease management 101... why not close the season entirely in high impact areas? Is that so difficult to figure out?
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She said 72% percent of the people that took the time to write her supported the closer of the late season .
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