I've seen some pretty nice winner's pack over the years at Towanda. The term conservative never came to mind. I didn't get to go this year due to a jag off bringing a hound with kennel cough to a trial. I was told that the packs ran well, maybe you saw something different. There are only a 2 guys on a given day truly happy with the results. All you can ask for is an honest look from a hardworking judge giving time, blood, money and sweat so we can play when it's not hunting season. Because of that I will run my dogs under any judge the guys at Towanda hire.