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'Lots of reasons for bigger racked buck"

This was in the PA outdoor news:

' Yes we are taking more record book bucks in Pennsylvania than ever before

With many posting their ground, even small parcels, food plots, cuttings, and personal land management are the norm today. Food supplements for deer and antler growth are sold everywhere, and are very popular

Add in antler restrictions, bad weather in recent years, and few hunters with fewer skills and less time. Also there is more natural foods due to lack of deer density

Cable television supplied knowledge of land management and proper supplements. Television hunting hosts advocating a "160 or better" mentality and selective practices is creating a celebrity hunter effect.

Most serious hunters and land owners aren't waiting for the Game Commission. They're managing their own posted properties properly and the results are coming in.

In the past, mroe records were a surprise to the shooter. Today most are known and grown. I like to call it the texas effect. A good analogy McGuire and Sossa vs. the babe - no disrespect intended.
Antler restrictions have helped, but most of the credit for many of these new records should go to the grower"

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Re: 'Lots of reasons for bigger racked buck"

The woods of PA are hardly a Texas deer farm. As for all the supposed antler-growth inducing supplements and crops, they're about as likely to work as those pills smilin' Bob sells on tv.

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The woods of PA are hardly a Texas deer farm. As for all the supposed antler-growth inducing supplements and crops, they're about as likely to work as those pills smilin' Bob sells on tv.
So the food plots and supplements arent doing anything? Wow.

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Re: 'Lots of reasons for bigger racked buck"

Almost forgot there are P&Y's hiding behind every tree in Penns woods these days, Thx for the reminder!
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Almost forgot there are P&Y's hiding behind every tree in Penns woods these days, Thx for the reminder!
I guess the camps that dont let anyone shoot anything under 140-160" dont mean anything either right? It's all the PGC AR that are making all these big deer right? I guess that big 14pointer shot near 3 mile island illegaly came from the AR to right? I guess that the fact of not being able to hunt on 3 mile island didn't factor into anything right? Lol!

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Re: 'Lots of reasons for bigger racked buck"

They're certainly not coming out of a bag of salt someone's spreading on the ground. Planting food plots improves the overall health of the animals, that's true, would it matter if that food plot was "bio-logic" broccoli rod that's "specially formulated" for antler growth as opposed to, say, clover, corn, or wheat? Probably not.

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Re: 'Lots of reasons for bigger racked buck"

Like it or not, it's a side effect of AR. No one can reliably tell the genetic potential of a 1-1/2 year old buck that they don't know the breeding history of. They don't necessarily grow huge their first year since their nutrition is going to their skeletons.

I have trail cam pics of 1-1/2 year old 4-points and 6-points that live through the seasons, and these deer are noticeably longer and taller, body wise, in late December than they were in September. They grew a lot, just like some teenage boys go from 5' 10" to 6' 3" from age 15-1/2 to 17.

With AR protecting an entire age group of deer, then statistically there will be more older, and hence bigger, bucks in coming years.

This isn't to say that the "best" genetics make it through. Maybe they had a legal rack the first year and got killed. But it doesn't take a biology degree, or an endorsement from the PGC or USP to understand that an older buck who's skeletal frame is grown or mostly grown will divert more of the growth minerals to his rack as a 2-1/2 and beyond. And a statistician will tell you that odds are with more bucks living past 1-1/2, more will live to 2-1/2, 3-1/2, 4-1/2 and so on.

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I don't credit TV shows or mineral blocks for what is happening in PA. They may want the credit. But, they don't deserve it!

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Re: 'Lots of reasons for bigger racked buck"

I think credit should be given to the hunters that let the 1 1/2 year old legal bucks walk...I feel hunters (in my area anyway) even youth hunters, would rather shoot a doe than a small legal 6pt. It makes me happy to see hunters set goals and strive to shoot a mature deer. Doesn't seem to be a big ego thing just to kill any legal buck. If they want some venison a doe would do.

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Re: 'Lots of reasons for bigger racked buck"

I know AR has helped. I also know that we started managing our own property 5 years befor AR and that helped more than anything. I can also tell that we have noticed a difference in the bucks since or children have started hunting. Atleast now our children aren't satisfied with 1 1/2 year old bucks and are waiting for bigger ones now too. I'm sure we will see an increase in our quality of bucks again!
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