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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 01-07-2012, 12:57 PM Thread Starter
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What Tag to Use in This Scenario?

True scenario that happened five or six years ago.

Group out pushing in late flintlock. Couple inches of fresh snow on the ground. A small basket rack steps out in front of one of the posters, 30 yards broadside. BOOM! Deer tears off through the brush down the hill. Shooter sees glimpes of it and thought he sees it fall. Heads directly downhill to that area, not bothering to follow the tracks, just went straight to it.

About 100-150 yards from the shot, deer is down. No antlers. Two bloody spots on the head. Guy knows it had a rack when he shot.

The Question - do you tag this deer as a buck or a doe?

Foremost is what is LEGALLY required? Our morals and ethics are a different question.

As the group gathered, some guys backtracked the exact path the deer ran through the snow, found one antler and then the other. The deer had knocked them off running through the brush.

Now, a deer running through the woods and knocked off the antlers, to me, that seems "naturally shed". Is there a difference of a deer running spooked by a grouse hunter or non-hunting hiker and knocks them off, verses running after being shot at?

A hunter walks up to his dear deer, it has no antlers. Then others find the shed antlers and give them to him as a gift. Is it legal to tag that deer with an antlerless tag and still have your buck tag and continue hunting for an antlered deer?

Before the chaos starts, the buck was tagged with the buck tag, and the tagged deer and shed antlers were put into the truck along with his flintlock, and he was just a driver for the rest of the day. Didn't need another deer so his doe tag went unused. And, that buck tag was on that deer BEFORE the sheds were found.

But LEGALLY, could he have tagged that deer as a doe, and also kept possession of the naturally shed antlers, and then shot another buck?

Is your deer defined as antlered or antlerless based upon when you pulled the trigger or when you recover the dead animal?

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Re: What Tag to Use in This Scenario?

Since you found the antlers you would tag it as a buck,if no antlers are found ,use a doe tag and on you Harvest card there is a place to check that it was a shed antlered buck,if no antlers are found.

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Re: What Tag to Use in This Scenario?

Agreed with Retired. If you couldn't of found the antlers you would naturally use you're antlerless tag as the deer was antlerless. This does not specify sex because its been known to happen where does have antlers not often but it does happen.

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Re: What Tag to Use in This Scenario?

i think it could have been legally tagged either way, but at the time of the tagging it was an anterless deer....i'm sure john s will chime in soon.......bob

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Re: What Tag to Use in This Scenario?

We don't have buck or doe tags, we have antlered and anterless! Simple answer: antlers on it - antlered tag, no antlers antlerless tag!
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Re: What Tag to Use in This Scenario?

I'd say that was a legal antlerless deer at that time.
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Re: What Tag to Use in This Scenario?

It was an antlered deer when it was shot, you found the antlers and properly tagged it with the antlered tag. However, you could have legally taged it with the antlered tag anyway because you can tag an antlerless deer with an antlered deer tag in flintlock season if you had any doubt.




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Re: What Tag to Use in This Scenario?

Same scenario happened to a friend a few years back. One antler fell off after the shot, and the other once we started to drag it out. He tagged it as a buck and had a family member who works at a museum fix the antlers back on to the skull.

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Re: What Tag to Use in This Scenario?

Just to clarify, it wasn't me personally, and I wasn't even out that day, home with the flu bug.

The guy who shot it tagged it as a buck, even though he had a buck tag and antlerless tag. He knew it had bones when he shot at it.

After some joking about "what were you smoking when you saw antlers", thank goodness there was some snow and others backtracked and found both. One was right in the path, and the other one was a little bit off the path. Had there been no snow unlikely they find one, or very deep snow probably only find one. Just enough to follow the exact path, but not obscure the shed antler that flew off to one side.

Some good karma. He knew his "intent" was to kill a legal racked buck when he fired the shot, that's how he tagged it.

Just wondered if he would have been legal with the antlerless tag, since it was other guys who found the "sheds". I'm sure most have heard stories about guys going to start dragging, and antlers come off in their hands. In the days before concurrent seasons, that would look bad and better not lose them or you have some explaining to do!

Weird story, and some strange bragging rights about how he "hits 'em so hard he blows the antlers right off of 'em."

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Re: What Tag to Use in This Scenario?

I read an old Field note by a WCO in the Pa. game news one year where a hunter saw a buck during the three day doe season and when it started to run it's antlers hit some limbs and fell off and he shot it as an antlerless deer after the antlers fell off.He found the antlers and took them home.
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