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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 12-17-2011, 11:12 PM Thread Starter
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Wolves endangering big game etc.

I was watching Macmillan river adventure tonight on outdoor channel. It was about the Gray wolves that have made a big come back since they were put on the endanger species act that was signed in 1973. The wolves have been detrimental to the elk and the ecosystem. Big game forever group would like to have the states control the wildlife instead of the federal Government that is being fuel by the anti's, go to http://biggameforever.org/and sign the petition and watch the video on this website.it cost nothing to do, but you can become a member if you want.. thanks.. MRA is on tueday night at 11 pm. that is if you want to watch the show.

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post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 12-18-2011, 01:52 AM
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Elk were not detrimental to the ecosystem? High populations of elk changed the ecosystem. There are published studies on that.

Both elk and wolves need managed through hunting allocations. Haven't figured out how wolves have become detrimental to an ecosystem yet though.
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Gotta love the treehuggers.They also brought us ethonal which raised the price of groceries and lower our fuel mileage.Now they bring us Al Gore light bulbs.
They much rather have wolves control the animal populations then hunting as a tool.Problem is they don't want hunting to control the wolves.They love the ideas of predators but disnmiss the idea of man in the equation.

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Todd, the wolves have not harmed the eco system, but, anti-hunters see them as taking the place of hunters, and they have.

Everything needs balance, unless we want to completely exclude hunters.

One thing I have said for many years is that places like Yellowstone are not natural ecosystems, in the least. The reason? Because those systems have ELIMINATED hunting by man. Before it was a park, Yellowstone was hunted by native Americans, and they influenced not only game populations, but predator populations.



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The antis wanted to introduce wolfs into Valley Forge National Park to control the deer.... Never mind the effect the wolfs would have on the Boy and Girl Scouts hiking there or the ederly couple out for a sunday stroll. Oh, and they (treehuggers) apparently had not considered that the wolf population would not understand that they were not permitted to leave the park to hunt. Gheeese!

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The wolf situation is like anything else the government gets involved with, a true snafu. We can only hope that a court agrees with conservationists instead of the treehuggers.

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rflktrman.
Any true conservationist would understand the value of wolves to the ecosystems, and the value of having a healthy wolf population period.

It is unfortunate that some are trying to make conservation into something it is not: a smokescreen for what is in reality an anti-conservation message or policy.

As for the wolves: Yellowstone is the most studied setting. A new study of the ecosystem was just released within the past couple of weeks. It can be found on the NPS Web site, or at least it was there a few days ago. The bottom line is that wolves significantly changed the ecosystem, and for the better.
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I am wondering if anyone here really knows what is a ecosystem? How can you not call Yellowstone park not being an ecosystem? How can the wolves help the ecosystem when there are no hunting wolves? How can elk not be detrimental to the ecosystem, but high elk population changed the ecosystem.. definition of a ecosystem...http://forest.mtu.edu/kidscorner/eco...efinition.html

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How can you not call Yellowstone park not being an ecosystem?
Just verifying what you are asking. Your question is "How can you call Y-stone an ecosystem?" With the double negatives this is what I am reading.

Anything is an ecosystem. It's one of those words that gets thrown around pretty loosely. New York City is an ecosystem. Now, there are healthy ecosystems and not so healthy ecosystems. It all depends on what the goals for that land are.

Is Yellowstone an ecosystem, sure. Just as is the state forest in WMU 2G, 5A and the rest of our backyards.
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How can the wolves help the ecosystem when there are no hunting wolves?
How can hawks & owls help the eco-system when there is no hunting them ??

Just sayin'.

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