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post #481 of 581 (permalink) Old 07-13-2018, 03:46 PM
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The only issue with the current system is with the treasurers themselves, and THEY are the ones that cried and whined that they needed the money when the PGC tried to take them out of the process...

A few years back, a lot of guys that I know failed to get their doe tags for 1B after never having a problem in the decades before. They mailed their applications on time to either the Erie or Warren County treasurers offices. The first week went by and none of them were awarded their tags. The second week went by, with now non residents applying, and they didn’t get awarded their tag. Soon enough they were sold out and had their applications to them. Now you tell me how non residents were awarded tags while these guys were left out in the cold, despite having their applications there on time?

After some research, my suspicions were confirmed. The treasurers were recieving the apps but setting them aside and bit processing them. A batch came in Monday and were placed in a bin and then a batch came in on Tuesday and dumped in the bin on top of the previous days’ and so on and so forth until eventually the game commission actually called them up to ask why they weren’t processing the applications. Well, by the time they started getting around to it, they were grabbing the ones that were at the top of the pile and going from there. So much for “first come, first serve”. By the time they were getting the very first apps to arrive, the unit sold out...

Think about it. The money made by the treasurers for processing is put into a pot and distributed equally to all treasurers in the state, doesn’t matter if they processed one or 20,000, they all get the same. So what incentive do certain treasurers have to be timely in their processing? They’re going to get the same amount of money regardless...

The treasurers need to be removed from the process to streamline it and make it more efficient.
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As of 4 pm today, not a single unit is sold out. Looks like the NR's will have a shot at all units again this year. Good for them...
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As of 4 pm today, not a single unit is sold out. Looks like the NR's will have a shot at all units again this year. Good for them...
id also like to point out that since a lotto needs a cutoff as no unit sold out no resident who applied would have “lost” a first round lotto.
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post #484 of 581 (permalink) Old 07-13-2018, 04:15 PM
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id also like to point out that since a lotto needs a cutoff as no unit sold out no resident who applied would have “lost” a first round lotto.

Just like now for everyone who mailed on time like they should have.
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id also like to point out that since a lotto needs a cutoff as no unit sold out no resident who applied would have “lost” a first round lotto.

Just like now for everyone who mailed on time like they should have.
yes. Point was that one of the big anti lottery statements is the ones who loose will still be mad, but just like now there are no losers first round resident
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We are pretty darn close to a point in time where every hunter that wants one should be able to purchase an antlerless tag with their general license that is good statewide. Just about everyone is now getting their first choice anyways. Additional tags could be made available through the current process in WMUs that need them.
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We are pretty darn close to a point in time where every hunter that wants one should be able to purchase an antlerless tag with their general license that is good statewide. Just about everyone is now getting their first choice anyways. Additional tags could be made available through the current process in WMUs that need them.

I agree that everyone could get a tag but to use it anywhere lacks any kind of population control, imo. How would you control a given WMU harvest?
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That will never happen and if the PGC went in that direction it would be extremely irresponsible. In the history of doe hunting in PA so far as I know, you never had the luxury to just go anywhere you wanted to kill a doe.

When you are up to your butt in alligators, it is hard to remember your intent was to drain the swamp. Stay focused!
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id also like to point out that since a lotto needs a cutoff as no unit sold out no resident who applied would have “lost” a first round lotto.
That is not the way it would work though with a lottery. With a lottery, just as there was with the elk drawing in the early years, there would be a percentage of the allocation set aside for non-residents. That means that in any unit that sells out before the second round there would be residents, selected at random and perhaps even the first one to apply, would be rejected while a non-resident a week or even two weeks later would get one.


I suspect it would actually end up being just like the elk drawing is now that residents and non-residents would have an equal shot at them. Of course more are going to go to residents though simply due to the demographics of way more residents allying.


But, the fact is there would be a lot more residents getting rejected for a license in the unit they want than what happens under the current system.


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That is not the way it would work though with a lottery. With a lottery, just as there was with the elk drawing in the early years, there would be a percentage of the allocation set aside for non-residents. That means that in any unit that sells out before the second round there would be residents, selected at random and perhaps even the first one to apply, would be rejected while a non-resident a week or even two weeks later would get one.


I suspect it would actually end up being just like the elk drawing is now that residents and non-residents would have an equal shot at them. Of course more are going to go to residents though simply due to the demographics of way more residents allying.


But, the fact is there would be a lot more residents getting rejected for a license in the unit they want than what happens under the current system.


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Not if the lottery is done the way New York does it.


Order of Selection
  1. Landowners and Disabled Veterans
  2. NYS Residents and Nonresidents with 3 or more preference points.
  3. Residents with 2 preference points.
  4. Residents with 1 preference points.
  5. Residents with 0 preference points.
  6. Non-Residents with 2 preference points.
  7. Non-Residents with 1 preference points.
  8. Non-Residents with 0 preference points.



Read about their procedure here, it works very well...
https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/6403.html
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