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DCNR DMAP justification

I remember some years back, around the late 2000's, reading a pdf the DCNR published with studies, deer counts, and other metrics explaining the amount of DMAP tags allocated to certain areas. I have searched for this since then but haven't found anything. Anyone know what I am talking about? This goes for PGC too, but I strongly feel the data supporting allocations should be publicly available and transparent.
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DCNR is about trees, plants, birdies and deer don't fit into the scheme of things so they issue the DMAP tags.
Hickory Run issued 247 tags again this year....I don't think there is 247 deer left in the whole 16,000 acre park anymore.
several years ago there was a deer density goal set out and I think it was something in the low teens deer per Sq mile.
Have not read anything about the desired population in quite some time.
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DCNR is about trees, plants, birdies and deer don't fit into the scheme of things so they issue the DMAP tags.
Hickory Run issued 247 tags again this year....I don't think there is 247 deer left in the whole 16,000 acre park anymore.
several years ago there was a deer density goal set out and I think it was something in the low teens deer per Sq mile.
Have not read anything about the desired population in quite some time.
I am fine withe DCNR prioritizing forests. It is their stated mission and I agree with it.

But I know of one DMAP area that gets a few hundred tags and I would estimate the success rate is below 5%.

Another, similar size, comparable deer densities, and significantly with bordering non-DMAP units, receives a 4-digit allocation and a significantly higher success rate/acre due to access and camp density.

Another has significant unfenced cuts, no DMAP nearby, and a rapidly expanding deer population density.

There are inconsistencies there. They need to be able to explain that with data.

It needs to be predictive and not reactive also. If they are conducting experiments that needs to be disclosed. Same goes for justification of deer fences at cuts, and timber sales' existing potential to regerate sufficiently.

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I remember some years back, around the late 2000's, reading a pdf the DCNR published with studies, deer counts, and other metrics explaining the amount of DMAP tags allocated to certain areas. I have searched for this since then but haven't found anything. Anyone know what I am talking about? This goes for PGC too, but I strongly feel the data supporting allocations should be publicly available and transparent.


I had a hard time learning the difference between SGL and SF. Then learning DCNR is on state forest after timber where game commission is promoting wildlife on game lands.
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In the beginning,DCNR was doing annual browse impact surveys that transected all across each state forest.Each plot was checked annual to see what was growing,what should be growing how the deer were impacting it etc.They do something a little different now but have a pretty good handle on how the deer are impacting the state forests.It doesn't matter how many deer there are.If the habit is poor,you don't add more deer because it only takes a small number to impact poor habitat.I live in district 9 and they haven't fenced a cut in 7 years and took every one of their units out of DMAP around that same time because their browse impact surveys were improving.
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In the beginning,DCNR was doing annual browse impact surveys that transected all across each state forest.Each plot was checked annual to see what was growing,what should be growing how the deer were impacting it etc.They do something a little different now but have a pretty good handle on how the deer are impacting the state forests.It doesn't matter how many deer there are.If the habit is poor,you don't add more deer because it only takes a small number to impact poor habitat.I live in district 9 and they haven't fenced a cut in 7 years and took every one of their units out of DMAP around that same time because their browse impact surveys were improving.
Good info. Yes these trasects are what I read. There were aerial infared surveys as well.

These current surveys need to be public or available via right to know then right?

I am not in the "no deer" crowd by any means. I lean way more toward the habitat side. I spend time in 4 different state forests and I see some pretty significant disparities as I noted above.
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I'm sure if talk to any district office,they would be more than happy to disclose that info.
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