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I thought mature doe are easy to kill?

The link gives you a chart of age distribution for 2D vs 2G as well.

http://ecosystems.psu.edu/research/p...o-for-the-show


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A few months ago, I spun a tale about the biggest 2-weeks of the year for deer and a majority of those who pursue them. I told you about the Katniss Everdeen of deer, a 13.5-year-old doe living in WMU 2G. This is an amazing feat but nearly a third of does in 2G are 6.5 years old or older. So while Ms. Everdeen may be the grand dame, there are a lot of old ladies with regard to the deer world in 2G.

Remember, this is quite different from does living in other areas of the state. Close to 90% of does will survive the hunting season each year in 2G. In 2D, less than 70% survive their second season. As for old ladies, with only 7% of the does in 2D being 6.5 years old or older, the geriatric crowd is much smaller.

When I received a call last week regarding a doe that was harvested in 2D during the muzzleloader season that was also a PGC research alumna, I didn’t get that excited. While we have been tagging deer in that area since 2002, our last active trap year was only 4 years ago.

But when I checked the database, I did get excited! We first met this lovely lady in March 2003 not far from Echo, PA. Since she was tagged during the winter trapping season, she would have been classified as a fawn (~10 months old, born the previous year) or an adult (at least 22 months old or older). If she had been a fawn at time of capture, she would have been 12.5 years old when she was harvested. However, she was tagged as an adult. With no way to confirm her birth year, her minimum age would have been 13.5 years old. Astounding!

Now get ready to have your mind blown. When I checked my email this morning, a colleague received a report of an ear tagged deer making regular visits to someone’s back yard near Kittanning. Here it comes. This doe was tagged just a few hundred yards from this location in February 2003 as an adult…which means she is closing in on her 14th birthday this spring. But again this is a MINIMUM age for this girl. That’s 2 does tagged a month apart in Armstrong County over a decade old reported to us in under a week. What are the odds???

Our lovely lady from Echo won’t be getting any older but her “sister” is still keeping it real in ArmSTRONG County. Ms. Everdeen may still be out there too. That makes 3 confirmed reports of does in the last 4 months that are 13.5 years old from 2 different areas! Maybe I should start playing the lottery.

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Re: I thought mature doe are easy to kill?

confirms what a few here say about 2G. hunters aren't seeing/shooting many of the deer that are obviously there.

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Re: I thought mature doe are easy to kill?

Actually the age of the deer doesnt really surprise me, but 3 that close together around the same age now that is awesome. There are plenty of deer in 2G just takes alot of hiking to find them but they are there. When im up at camp i know a few of the forestry people and they find deer every year way back in the clear cuts that die of old age.

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Re: I thought mature doe are easy to kill?

Did they have a wco do a necropsy when they find them? Just wondering how the forestry people new it was age related.
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Re: I thought mature doe are easy to kill?

I never asked but they say most of the ones they find , the teeth are worn down next to nothing. so most likely starved to death. So i guess it even could be an assumption on their part. The one guy has worked for the Forestry department for over 30 years he lives 2 houses down from our camp. When i go up in the spring i will pick his brain but he is a very chatty person. lol

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Re: I thought mature doe are easy to kill?

There is a doe at my place that was tagged back in 2006. We had several at the time with collars on. She is the only one left that I know of. She has a very visual crooked nose as her name is "crooked nose" haha.

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Re: I thought mature doe are easy to kill?

I can't speak for your particular area, but having hunted in a suburban/urban deer management program, where deer densities are high, I can tell you that many folks would be surprised how hard it is to kill a mature doe.(I should clarify, at least with a bow anyways.)
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Re: I thought mature doe are easy to kill?

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confirms what a few here say about 2G. hunters aren't seeing/shooting many of the deer that are obviously there.
Just read the new deer forest blog and the field technicians are not seeing much deer sign in most of the accessible Susquehannock State Forest. Maybe those deer they assume are just hunkered down, just aren't there. May confirm what more then a few say about deer numbers in 2G.no
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Re: I thought mature doe are easy to kill?

I hunt 2G in potter county and the deer are there. Maybe not like it was 30 years ago but they are there.
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Re: I thought mature doe are easy to kill?

All deer, mature or not, are easy to kill.


Getting oneself into a situation that affords the opportunity is a whole different story.

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