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Mentored Youth Proposed Changes

Some major changes proposed for the MY and adults for that matter. First it looks like they will be able to apply for their own antlerless tags if over 7 years old. Then it looks like pheasant, hare, and grouse will be legal species.

Since the mentored hunting programís initial inception in 2006, the program
has gradually grown and expanded to allow the hunting of many additional
species of game and wildlife. The program has also incrementally expanded
eligibility standards to now allow participation by all age groups. However,
with this progressive linear expansion, the mentored hunting program has
built up a complex and inconsistent web of eligibility standards and
limitations for each of the three program age groups. Couple this
complexity with its differences to the traditional hunting license structures
and the Commonwealthís sporting men and women have understandably
been challenged in fully understanding and consistently operating within
the programís multifaceted standards. Furthermore, the Commission
recognizes that the current complexity if these regulations themselves may
in fact be undermining the recruitment and retention of the participants the
program was intended to improve. With this in mind, the Commission has
determined that the mentored hunting program is due for a significant
streamlining of its standards.
The first improvement involves combining the species eligibility list for
mentored youth and mentored adults to one list. This change alone will
expand species eligibility for all age groups. The second change involves
issuing all applicable harvest tags to mentored adults and mentored youth 7
years of age or older in a manner consistent with the purchase of a hunting
license. This change primarily affects mentored adults and does not change
standards for mentored youth who are under 7 years of age at the time of
application. This change eliminates the transfer of any harvest tags to
mentored adults and mentored youth 7 years of age or older.
The third change builds off of the second by expanding the ability to make
direct application for antlerless deer licenses and Deer Management
Assistance Program (DMAP) harvest permits for mentored adults and
mentored youth 7 years of age or older. The fourth change allows all
mentored hunter age classes to make direct application for migratory bird
licenses and pheasant permits within the eligibility standards and limitations
of these programs. Each of these improvements brings a greater degree of
simplicity to the mentored hunting program and also brings it into closer
alignment to the Commissionís traditional hunting license structures.

https://www.pgc.pa.gov/InformationRe...0%20Agenda.pdf

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Reading the agenda will give all the details.

In my opinion it is about time they expand although there is still more restrictions than necessary. For example you can take a mentored youth out coyote hunting, and they can shoot a coyotoe, but if a fox comes in to the call they can't shoot. That makes no sense to me.

It appears now since a MY can apply for their own antlerless licenses then they can actually shoot more than 1 antlerless deer?

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At least another step in the right direction but the regulations for MY are still way too conservative. Open it up as much as possible and let the kids hunt.

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If there is any place that could use a Sunday hunt day, it is the MY youth rifle season. This year it was on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. So really it was one day, Saturday, unless you want to pull the kids out of school or just have the evening to hunt.
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If there is any place that could use a Sunday hunt day, it is the MY youth rifle season. This year it was on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. So really it was one day, Saturday, unless you want to pull the kids out of school or just have the evening to hunt.
Agreed. Early muzzeloader and senior rifle would also benefit.

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How in the heck can a Mentored Youth hunt grouse, pheasant, and in some cases rabbit when they need to be stationary?
( The state or condition where a person is still, fixed in place or static, indicated by a cessation of all forward, backward or lateral movement, whether in standing, kneeling, sitting or prone position) and within arm's reach the mentor all times while in possession of any lawful hunting device.
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As far as mentor youth needing their own doe and pheasant license goes, it's just another way the PGC can sell more licenses, increase revenue.

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How in the heck can a Mentored Youth hunt grouse, pheasant, and in some cases rabbit when they need to be stationary?
( The state or condition where a person is still, fixed in place or static, indicated by a cessation of all forward, backward or lateral movement, whether in standing, kneeling, sitting or prone position) and within arm's reach the mentor all times while in possession of any lawful hunting device.
The adult carries the gun until the dog comes to point on a bird then the MY goes stationary and receives the gun. Or in the case of rabbits, the beagles start the chase, then the MY receives the gun in a stationary position until the beagles circle the rabbit back.
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How in the heck can a Mentored Youth hunt grouse, pheasant, and in some cases rabbit when they need to be stationary?
Easy peasy, adult carries the gun until the dog goes on point, at which time both walk together into the point with the adult being one step behind to keep everything safe. I took notice woodcock are the only small game not on the list, why not? I can get youth into more woodcock than I can grouse or pheasant. If they're going to take a step forward, make it a full step, not a baby step.

Plenty of scouting and good habitat makes for a great hunt.

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Easy peasy, adult carries the gun until the dog goes on point, at which time both walk together into the point with the adult being one step behind to keep everything safe. I took notice woodcock are the only small game not on the list, why not? I can get youth into more woodcock than I can grouse or pheasant. If they're going to take a step forward, make it a full step, not a baby step.
Read GC definition of stationary again.

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