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post #11 of 411 (permalink) Old 06-18-2019, 09:42 PM
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Never had a problem with the way it has worked. It's easy and works. Like Bigbrownie said I must nuts or something.
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post #12 of 411 (permalink) Old 06-19-2019, 12:56 PM
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Since the whole license thing has been automated for years, why does this continue to be so manual? How much do they spend on pink envelops? Maybe less than it costs to print the rule book.
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The current system works, but an on-line version would make it simpler and more efficient. I'd be all for not writing checks, buying stamps, timing the mail delivery, etc
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I can see this being a nightmare for Point Of Sale retailers. Let's face it. In 2019, you still have plenty of senior demographic hunters, that will only purchase a license or stamp at a selling agent. They want nothing to do with "online". You get into some areas of PA, that don't have very many retailers selling hunting licenses. SO, what you'll have is incredibly long waiting lines at the few point of sale retailers in some areas, and a bunch of PO'ed people. God bless the counter person when they have to tell that person that stood in line for 90 minutes, that THEY JUST SOLD OUT.

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I can see this being a nightmare for Point Of Sale retailers. Let's face it. In 2019, you still have plenty of senior demographic hunters, that will only purchase a license or stamp at a selling agent. They want nothing to do with "online". You get into some areas of PA, that don't have very many retailers selling hunting licenses. SO, what you'll have is incredibly long waiting lines at the few point of sale retailers in some areas, and a bunch of PO'ed people. God bless the counter person when they have to tell that person that stood in line for 90 minutes, that THEY JUST SOLD OUT.
And the poor USPS....missing out on all those stamp sales in August of each year in PA.
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I have no problem with the current system at all. I can also see the system getting overloaded and taking a dump if all these applications were entered in a short period of time. Then again there mistake that will be made by applicants, automated issuance would make getting the mistakes straightened out more difficult. Sometimes it is better with the devil you know than the one you don't.

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I have no problem with the current system at all. I can also see the system getting overloaded and taking a dump if all these applications were entered in a short period of time. Then again there mistake that will be made by applicants, automated issuance would make getting the mistakes straightened out more difficult. Sometimes it is better with the devil you know than the one you don't.
I agree that there could be some technical issues (at first at least) with an online sales system getting flooded at 12:01AM on each round opening (or say 9AM as not to give online applicants a leg up over "mailers")... but those are relatively easy to plan for and address.

I disagree on the level of difficulty straightening out end-user/applicant errors... I'd imagine that having confirmation steps in the process would reduce such errors when compared to the paper apps, sale couldn't proceed without a WMU selection, and a process for "correcting" or reissuing mistaken purchases would be easy to handle. Besides, someone would know as soon as a confirmation/receipt page displayed that they accidentally bought a tag in the wrong WMU, instead of waiting and wondering for weeks. Remedy could begin immediately, not after a WMU potentially sold out.

Of course, the paper process couldn't be eliminated completely... I would imagine an online system would run in parallel with the current system for the first year or two, then once the volume of online vs paper is established, they'd centralize the paper to a single location (or a few?) to handle that volume.

Having some experience w/ e-commerce, I'm not to scared of that devil... I see confronting him as a necessary evil in this case. It's past time to gain some efficiencies and modernize.
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I think some of the dissatisfaction with the doe license process comes from younger folks who feel right at home with online sales and credit card transactions. Me, I prefer cash, although I do write checks on special occasions. Credit cards are a distant third finisher for me. Someday my kind will be gone, and folks can have an App on their iPhones to buy their doe tags...but that day isn’t here yet.

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I like it the way it is now like others have said they figured ways to get their tags every year, The way I see it they sell DMAPS and increase the allocations of Antlerless permits every year and now with the CWD spreading they will issue more in the future. I know in some areas there is competition to get one tag but just wait the whole state will be under CWD someday and you will have a pocket full of tags to try and fill,

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Sad thing is no matter which way you turn, it all comes down to Politics.
Whether it be Doe tags, Treasurer, Sunday hunting, Saturday opener you name it.
The only good thing about a Politician is you can vote them in or out.
An Appointed Official your stuck with.
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