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The old boy buddy system at the courthouse....certain applications always float to the top of the stack based on the names on the return address.

CT employees obviously know some of the local hunters that apply for tags...some help out their friends and family. It happens....human nature. I know for a fact that it happens at the courthouse across town from me.

Do tell, why exactly would Exec Director Hough claim the CT process is not truly first come first serve during testimony with the House Game & Fisheries Committee?
Do you have proof of those applications floating to the top? Or is it just a rumor and personal opinion without facts to back it up?
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Second Round?

For some units there is no second round. I and many other hunters don't want a license for just any ole unit. If I can't hunt in the only unit I want to hunt while someone else got a permit for that unit because they might get a chance to hunt there for a few hours I find huge issues with both the logic and fairness of that type of system.

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I don’t know if it’s been mentioned yet but the problem with the treasurers being involved is that all of the money brought in by all of the treasurers is shared amongst every county. So what incentive is there for treasurer A when they know that treasurers B, C, D, and E will take care of it and treasurer A will get their share anyway?

We had that happen up here in 1B for a couple years when the Erie County treasurer was letting applications pile up on the desk and not processing them and a lot of people who mailed their apps in on time lost out on tags. Then people started sending to Warren and then they pulled the same thing. What happens is that they get a bag full of apps on Monday, dump them in a bin, and either don’t get to them all or don’t get to them AT ALL. Another batch comes in on Tuesday and they dump those on top of what is already there, and so on a so forth. Pretty soon, the guy’s app that came in Monday morning is buried at the bottom of the pile and they end up sold out before they get to his. At the very least, the apps that come in on day one need to be separated if they don’t get to them all and be the first ones processed on Tuesday before anything else is. Some counties hire extra staff for app season, but many do not. Again, what incentive is there for processing the apps that come in when you’ll get your share no matter what?
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I don’t know if it’s been mentioned yet but the problem with the treasurers being involved is that all of the money brought in by all of the treasurers is shared amongst every county. So what incentive is there for treasurer A when they know that treasurers B, C, D, and E will take care of it and treasurer A will get their share anyway?

We had that happen up here in 1B for a couple years when the Erie County treasurer was letting applications pile up on the desk and not processing them and a lot of people who mailed their apps in on time lost out on tags. Then people started sending to Warren and then they pulled the same thing. What happens is that they get a bag full of apps on Monday, dump them in a bin, and either don’t get to them all or don’t get to them AT ALL. Another batch comes in on Tuesday and they dump those on top of what is already there, and so on a so forth. Pretty soon, the guy’s app that came in Monday morning is buried at the bottom of the pile and they end up sold out before they get to his. At the very least, the apps that come in on day one need to be separated if they don’t get to them all and be the first ones processed on Tuesday before anything else is. Some counties hire extra staff for app season, but many do not. Again, what incentive is there for processing the apps that come in when you’ll get your share no matter what?

that happened to me in the unsold round here in Erie. i sent mine in on Friday, my buddy sent his in on Monday. my application should have arrived on Monday and his on Wednesday. they sold out Wednesday night. he got a second round and i didnt. the CT just wasnt taking them in order. they most likely never do.

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Do you have proof of those applications floating to the top? Or is it just a rumor and personal opinion without facts to back it up?
Completely fabricated story that I constructed in my spare time....I thought the HPA crew would enjoy it.

Why would I bring it up if I was not sure it was happening? I have seen screen shots of the tag award times in Round 1 and Round 2 for several years. He never missed out on a second round tag, even if there was only a couple hundred remaining in that WMU. I would send to the same courthouse just to see what happened....in the mail on Thursday or Friday before the round opened. I would get awarded on Tuesday or Wednesday.....I had no chance in the second round if the WMU was tight on tags. He never failed to get a 2nd round.

The guy has a family member that works in the courthouse.....like I said, it's human nature to help out a buddy or a family member.

There are guys that post here about their award times as well....some of those guys have an early Monday AM award time every year. It happens....and to deny that it does is absolutely foolish.


.....and please note that in the post you quoted I said, "I know for a fact that it happens at the courthouse across town from me."

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Second Round?

For some units there is no second round. I and many other hunters don't want a license for just any ole unit. If I can't hunt in the only unit I want to hunt while someone else got a permit for that unit because they might get a chance to hunt there for a few hours I find huge issues with both the logic and fairness of that type of system.

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Maybe it's just how you have this worded, but it comes off as you don't have to compete with the masses in this current process. You don't want a process in which you would have to.
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Completely fabricated story that I constructed in my spare time....I thought the HPA crew would enjoy it.

Why would I bring it up if I was not sure it was happening? I have seen screen shots of the tag award times in Round 1 and Round 2 for several years. He never missed out on a second round tag, even if there was only a couple hundred remaining in that WMU. I would send to the same courthouse just to see what happened....in the mail on Thursday or Friday before the round opened. I would get awarded on Tuesday or Wednesday.....I had no chance in the second round if the WMU was tight on tags. He never failed to get a 2nd round.

The guy has a family member that works in the courthouse.....like I said, it's human nature to help out a buddy or a family member.

There are guys that post here about their award times as well....some of those guys have an early Monday AM award time every year. It happens....and to deny that it does is absolutely foolish.


.....and please note that in the post you quoted I said, "I know for a fact that it happens at the courthouse across town from me."
I don't doubt that it happens, especially in those rural counties where its much more of a, well like you said a "buddy system". Especially if the CT is in a family or group of people that may be of the "outlaw-ish" breed. But my recommendation for you is that if you know that's happening then send it to a different CT. Have you tried that yet?
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I don't doubt that it happens, especially in those rural counties where its much more of a, well like you said a "buddy system". Especially if the CT is in a family or group of people that may be of the "outlaw-ish" breed. But my recommendation for you is that if you know that's happening then send it to a different CT. Have you tried that yet?
For sure it happens....and that's just one CT employee. There are 60+ more counties in PA....

Last year I did not purchase a WMU tag - I went the DMAP route. With my son on his MY license this year, I will be getting a WMU tag in addition to the DMAP tags. If I have my milking ducks in a row, MY rules state that I can transfer 1 WMU and 1 DMAP tag to him (but not 2 DMAP's).

For the first round, my local CT works out just fine even with the days of delay in processing - there are plenty of tags for the first round in my WMU of choice. The timing issues come into play on the second round when tags are limited. Now that we can get DMAP tags, I do not have a need for trying to get a second round WMU tag.

I have said it before, but the PGC has done a great job with the DMAP process.
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Ah wing, that's where your so so wrong. You don't have it better. Not even close. You only think you do. We do want you to have it better. But for that to happen the first thing to do is listen to those that went there before. And learn from their experiences. As we age knowledge and experience start to merge. And that becomes wisdom. Hard part is that younger people don't want to listen. They don't realize the truth. THAT's whats depressing.
Dave, I never said “we” have anything better. I said it seems like most boomers don’t want younger generations to have it better than they did. And I’ll stand by that. Plenty of examples here on a daily basis. Fortunately there’s a handful of boomers here who see it, sadly, most don’t.

You say “we” need to learn from “your” experiences, which I can accept as a sensible and sound concept, but I’d assert that in many cases “you” haven’t learned from your own experiences on many issues, which causes mistakes of the past to continue, and stifles progress for the sake of maintaining a familiar and comfortable status quo, and in other cases simply to deny others something “you” didn’t have coming up...

(We, you, and your are used purely in the generational sense and not directed at any individual member)
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