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PGC closing Glen Onoko Falls

https://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-...leq-story.html

https://triblive.com/lifestyles/trav...-hiking-trail/

I hiked this about 15 years ago when I was in college and I don't see how you kill yourself unless you're being a complete idiot. I saw that they were closing it on a hiking FB page that I follow. I'm an avid hiker but I'm a hunter first and if the PGC closes it because its on an SGL I get it. Around here we don't have to deal with hordes of hikers because the SGL's are either fairly boring/intimidating to day hikers. I couldn't imagine having to deal with tons of people like that. The hiking crowd are freaking out though. Its funny to see how they say their tax dollars pay for it they should be able to do what they want on the SGL. You can't contradict them on the hiking page though otherwise their heads explode and they become very uncivil haha.

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I hiked this about 15 years ago when I was in college and I don't see how you kill yourself unless you're being a complete idiot. I saw that they were closing it on a hiking FB page that I follow. I'm an avid hiker but I'm a hunter first and if the PGC closes it because its on an SGL I get it. Around here we don't have to deal with hordes of hikers because the SGL's are either fairly boring/intimidating to day hikers. I couldn't imagine having to deal with tons of people like that. The hiking crowd are freaking out though. Its funny to see how they say their tax dollars pay for it they should be able to do what they want on the SGL. You can't contradict them on the hiking page though otherwise their heads explode and they become very uncivil haha.
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It's like getting to your secret spot on a games land and finding propagation signs blocking your path. Let 'em eat cake. No more free rides.
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And that is why if you don't have a hunting license, you shouldn't be allowed on state game lands.
I have to disagree. If they have to buy a license, they will have skin in the game and therefore have a firmer position to have a say in game lands rules, better to have them as guests than paying customers.
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The "hiking crowd" is blowing up the PGC's F/B page as well..... and you are right they think it is a "park" paid for by the "public".

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The concept of charging leaf peepers, dog walkers and hikers to use SGL's has come up before. I agree it is a very dangerous idea to have non-hunters supporting lands paid for by hunters. Next thing you know blocks of time will be closed for weekend warriors to bird watch, hold bog walks and alike.
I hunt in a area that is mixed use and it gets frustrating when you are out hunting turkey or deer and here comes someone with not 1 sq. in. of orange, walking dogs off the leash that either run up to you or stand barking their fool heads off.
Not much you can do since it is public land.
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I hiked this about 15 years ago when I was in college and I don't see how you kill yourself unless you're being a complete idiot. I saw that they were closing it on a hiking FB page that I follow. I'm an avid hiker but I'm a hunter first and if the PGC closes it because its on an SGL I get it. Around here we don't have to deal with hordes of hikers because the SGL's are either fairly boring/intimidating to day hikers. I couldn't imagine having to deal with tons of people like that. The hiking crowd are freaking out though. Its funny to see how they say their tax dollars pay for it they should be able to do what they want on the SGL. You can't contradict them on the hiking page though otherwise their heads explode and they become very uncivil haha.
Ot's not being closed just because it's on an SGL. It's being closed specifically for safety reasons. And according to the the Northeast Region's LMS it's not really the deaths that sparked it but rather the high amount of injuries and the extreme difficulty for first responders to reach injured hikers. It can take as many as 25-30 first responders to answer a rescue call on the trail. And in recent years the trail has suffered a large amount of erosion which has made it more treacherous. He also indicated the closure is likely not permanent if the trail can be improved and DCNR has already allocated funds for trail upgrades here.

The trail is unique in that it begins in a state park and overlooks the state park but much of it cuts through the edge of the SGL that directly borders the State Park. Where the trail is on SGL I don't think there's alot of hunting going on in this very steep area so it's not like hunters are being disturbed. Also, the alternative is the trail that begins on SGL of off 93 and traverses an area that is much more likely to be used by hunters. So hunters shouldn't be to quick to celebrate the closing as a great plus for hunters.
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Also, the alternative is the trail that begins on SGL of off 93 and traverses an area that is much more likely to be used by hunters. So hunters shouldn't be to quick to celebrate the closing as a great plus for hunters.

Yes, I've hiked in both ways. The Rt 93 trail is of course much easier, but longer, about 2 1/2 miles I think, to a fairly well hidden path down to the falls. It's probably not as exciting to the daredevils who seek to hop rocks. I'm just curious as to how the PGC will close it. Just posting signs isn't gonna stop anybody from climbing, and we all know that GW's are not gonna disrupt their day to shoo away hikers in sneakers. I live about a 1/2 mile from the parking lot and we always know when someone took a tumble by hearing the sirens or seeing the Med Evac helicopter.
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Yes, from a report I read it will be clearly posted as closed and people will be subject to a $200 fine for violating the trail closure. I don't think you'll see the PGC actively patrol it but if violations occur and they see them well... Or if somebody is injured they will be subject to the fine too.
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It seems odd to say "This is a state park but you are not allowed here." If I'm 10 ft off the trail I guess I can't be fined?? I'm just scouting for hunting season.

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