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post #31 of 87 (permalink) Old 04-17-2019, 08:30 PM Thread Starter
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RedLab - I'm not sure if we are talking about the same area, but if it is a mountain top between 2 counties - I understand you. They cut, killed, everything. Huge areas essentially bulldozed.


I do agree someday it will be better, but it will take a few years.
This is in Sproul state forest out on Eagleton mt road in clinton county just outside of Lock Haven, Renovo Areas
it is a barren wasteland ! I just took another ride and all the bedding areas are gone and even the feeding areas are gone ! I topped the hill and as far as the eye can see it is just brown dirt with a tree here and there and roads all over that i'm sure will be road hunted unless its gated off ! I'll try and get some pics and post when I get back out there !


Ryan there is allot of difference between a place that has been timbered off and one that has been clearcut ! There are several other areas that I have hunted 40 yrs ago that have been clearcut and some of them are so thick you can't hunt them or there are no trees big enough to hang a stand in ! Others nothing much has grown in them except for the pines that the forestry department has planted !
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That's a good thing. Seems like every clearing where I hunt is choked with those worthless ferns. Does anything even eat them?
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Nicely put. I'll never look at them the same way.

The worst thing about ferns is walking in them in the summer. They hide every rock, log or hole. Makes walking a real hazard.

You left out rattlesnakes. Waugh!
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This is in Sproul state forest out on Eagleton mt road in clinton county just outside of Lock Haven, Renovo Areas
it is a barren wasteland ! I just took another ride and all the bedding areas are gone and even the feeding areas are gone ! I topped the hill and as far as the eye can see it is just brown dirt with a tree here and there and roads all over that i'm sure will be road hunted unless its gated off ! I'll try and get some pics and post when I get back out there !


Ryan there is allot of difference between a place that has been timbered off and one that has been clearcut ! There are several other areas that I have hunted 40 yrs ago that have been clearcut and some of them are so thick you can't hunt them or there are no trees big enough to hang a stand in ! Others nothing much has grown in them except for the pines that the forestry department has planted !

I remember a few years back, the foresters of the PGC and the DCNR had a program on PCN where they talked about their goal of a "patchwork quilt" of different age forest and habitat they aimed to create. They said huge areas of mature forest or pole timber or clear cutting was not good.

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I remember a few years back, the foresters of the PGC and the DCNR had a program on PCN where they talked about their goal of a "patchwork quilt" of different age forest and habitat they aimed to create. They said huge areas of mature forest or pole timber or clear cutting was not good.
That was back when the ones doing things still had common sense and managed the woods for the animals and not for what some collage kid was telling them to do.
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If deer ate ferns they wouldn't be such a problem, deer do not like ferns.
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I have also seen deer eat ferns !!
Not as a main diet but they do eat them !

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Deer will eat just about anything, when they are hungry and there is little else around for them to eat.

Where I hunt and during periods of high deer numbers, they've often browsed off non-preferred species, like birch and beech, during winters.

That is typically after they've already eaten what they could reach along browse lines (edge areas); under story browse; residual crops and other food sources that they can find. I have never seen a deer eating ferns and spend lots of time watching them with the aid of 10x50 binos and spotting scopes. Maybe they do, but I've never seen it?

I have watched them eat multi flora rose buds on several occasions over the years, usually during rifle deer seasons. Once I've killed a deer, then it's cruise around and observe time.

How they can nip them off without shredding their noses on the thorns, still amazes me. Watching them do that while I'm using a 45X spotting scope, it's not hard to see what it is they're after.

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What eats ferns? Actually some humans, if you pick fiddle ferns just after they emerge, it's a good green. But if you wait too long, usually sometime in May, they become toxic and will make you very sick. Same thing with poke weed.
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What eats ferns? Actually some humans, if you pick fiddle ferns just after they emerge, it's a good green. But if you wait too long, usually sometime in May, they become toxic and will make you very sick. Same thing with poke weed.

There are several species that are edible in the fiddlehead stage but those that typically grow in Pa clearcuts are not among them. The most commonly eaten by humans is Matteuccia struthiopteris which is found in swampy areas near streams and they do occur in Pa. Picking and cooking "Fiddleheads" in early spring is popular in northeast US and eastern Canada. On my spring bear hunts, my guide is constantly on the lookout for patches and if we see them we stop and pick them for his wife to cook. Bears also love them, to the extent that if there are a lot around, it can bugger up your bait hunt as the bears will be on the fern beds and not the bait sites, similarly to blueberries buggering up a fall hunt.
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