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rationale is a subjective thing isn’t it. I would call it irrational to continually defend something with a long list of possible downsides and no possible upside. Where it this case scenario is that things don’t get worse. And all to legalize a weapon who’s only unique benefit is also the thing that gives it the highest probability of causing problems.
It's only subjective to those that only have the subjective on their side of the issue.
A "long list of possible downsides" is rather meaningless when they can be proven improbable.
"No possible upside" is really a non sequitor when there is not a zero probability of "upside".
"Only unique benefit" also is a dishonest statement, as has been discussed and demonstrated.

Refusal to accept facts supported by evidence and data does not equal absence of facts/data.
I would call such a refusal the definition of irrationality.
Pleas post any upside that is more “probable” than the downsides.

Every so called “benefit” of a semi auto rifle can be duplicated in the currently legal manual actions. The only thing that comes close is ease of gaining a higher rate of fire. Although this can be nearly matched with some skill and practice. The SA simply offers it to all shooters. As mentioned earlier it’s only “strength” is a huge weakness.

There simply aren’t any facts to consider, admittedly on both sides. I will gladly give all due consideration to any FACT that proves the safety of semi auto center fire rifles when used for big game in PENNSYLVANIA.
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Pleas post any upside that is more “probable” than the downsides.

Every so called “benefit” of a semi auto rifle can be duplicated in the currently legal manual actions. The only thing that comes close is ease of gaining a higher rate of fire. Although this can be nearly matched with some skill and practice. The SA simply offers it to all shooters. As mentioned earlier it’s only “strength” is a huge weakness.

There simply aren’t any facts to consider, admittedly on both sides. I will gladly give all due consideration to any FACT that proves the safety of semi auto center fire rifles when used for big game in PENNSYLVANIA.
I don't believe you can duplicate the lower recoil built into most SA's that people want to use with other manual actions without changing the stock.
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Pleas post any upside that is more “probable” than the downsides.

Every so called “benefit” of a semi auto rifle can be duplicated in the currently legal manual actions. The only thing that comes close is ease of gaining a higher rate of fire. Although this can be nearly matched with some skill and practice. The SA simply offers it to all shooters. As mentioned earlier it’s only “strength” is a huge weakness.

There simply aren’t any facts to consider, admittedly on both sides. I will gladly give all due consideration to any FACT that proves the safety of semi auto center fire rifles when used for big game in PENNSYLVANIA.
From what I've seen on this post even if you had all the facts in front of you signed by the Governor and President you would still find a fault and argue the facts. Semi Autos are just as safe as any weapon made, that's a fact.
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Pleas post any upside that is more “probable” than the downsides.

Every so called “benefit” of a semi auto rifle can be duplicated in the currently legal manual actions. The only thing that comes close is ease of gaining a higher rate of fire. Although this can be nearly matched with some skill and practice. The SA simply offers it to all shooters. As mentioned earlier it’s only “strength” is a huge weakness.

There simply aren’t any facts to consider, admittedly on both sides. I will gladly give all due consideration to any FACT that proves the safety of semi auto center fire rifles when used for big game in PENNSYLVANIA.
I don't believe you can duplicate the lower recoil built into most SA's that people want to use with other manual actions without changing the stock.
There are nearly countless ways to reduce recoil in a manual action rifle most of which are cheaper than purchasing a new semi auto rifle of the same caliber.
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Pleas post any upside that is more “probable” than the downsides.
Increased recruitment and retention is more probable than any of your claimed downsides as supported by numbers everywhere it’s been done. Not claiming big numbers, just a non-zero number.

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Every so called “benefit” of a semi auto rifle can be duplicated in the currently legal manual actions. The only thing that comes close is ease of gaining a higher rate of fire. Although this can be nearly matched with some skill and practice. The SA simply offers it to all shooters. As mentioned earlier it’s only “strength” is a huge weakness.
Find me one manually operated rifle that offers the modularity, reduced weight and reduced recoil offered by an SA in the same caliber at a similar price point. Good luck finding that unicorn.

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There simply aren’t any facts to consider, admittedly on both sides. I will gladly give all due consideration to any FACT that proves the safety of semi auto center fire rifles when used for big game in PENNSYLVANIA.
Admitted by whom?
There’s plenty of facts and evidence confirming the safety of SA use on big game. Because said fact conflict with your personal viewpoint, you choose do dismiss them and declare them not applicable because the data was not obtained from PA. A false premise that defies all of accepted statistical and logical practices, all because of some yet to be explained visceral reaction.

All the facts have been laid out countless times over the course of these threads on the topic. Refusing to acknowledge them as facts lends continued credence to the thought that those opposed to SA are not approaching the subject from a rational, logical standing.
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Semi Autos are just as safe as any weapon made, that's a fact.
that is a fact, I’ve never argued that. There a tool that can allow the unsafe to become more unsafe.
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There are nearly countless ways to reduce recoil in a manual action rifle most of which are cheaper than purchasing a new semi auto rifle of the same caliber.
Any of those methods as effective? From a reduction standpoint without reducing muzzle velocity and energy?
Without adding weight or length?
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Pleas post any upside that is more “probable” than the downsides.
Increased recruitment and retention is more probable than any of your claimed downsides as supported by numbers everywhere it’s been done. Not claiming big numbers, just a non-zero number.

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Every so called “benefit” of a semi auto rifle can be duplicated in the currently legal manual actions. The only thing that comes close is ease of gaining a higher rate of fire. Although this can be nearly matched with some skill and practice. The SA simply offers it to all shooters. As mentioned earlier it’s only “strength” is a huge weakness.
Find me one manually operated rifle that offers the modularity, reduced weight and reduced recoil offered by an SA in the same caliber at a similar price point. Good luck finding that unicorn.

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There simply aren’t any facts to consider, admittedly on both sides. I will gladly give all due consideration to any FACT that proves the safety of semi auto center fire rifles when used for big game in PENNSYLVANIA.
Admitted by whom?
There’s plenty of facts and evidence confirming the safety of SA use on big game. Because said fact conflict with your personal viewpoint, you choose do dismiss them and declare them not applicable because the data was not obtained from PA. A false premise that defies all of accepted statistical and logical practices, all because of some yet to be explained visceral reaction.

All the facts have been laid out countless times over the course of these threads on the topic. Refusing to acknowledge them as facts lends continued credence to the thought that those opposed to SA are not approaching the subject from a rational, logical standing.
I thought you were all about accurate data analysis. There are so many differences between the conditions in pa now and anyothete state that any comparison is useless.
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