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There are nearly countless ways to reduce recoil in a manual action rifle most of which are cheaper than purchasing a new semi auto rifle of the same caliber.
Any of those methods as effective? From a reduction standpoint without reducing muzzle velocity and energy?
Without adding weight or length?
yes and the most effective would be to buy the right gun that fits in the right caliber that you can handle and does what is needed with the right ammunition and in an action that is legal to hunt the intended species with.
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There are nearly countless ways to reduce recoil in a manual action rifle most of which are cheaper than purchasing a new semi auto rifle of the same caliber.
You assume that everyone owns a traditional stocked rifle. There is a group of people that already own those other rifles so it has nothing to do with cost.
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that is a fact, Iíve never argued that. There a tool that can allow the unsafe to become more unsafe.

ANY FIREARM allows the unsafe to become more unsafe. the unsafe should not have a firearm, period !!


thats why they will not allow users of medical or recreational marijuana to buy a gun...any gun.
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There are nearly countless ways to reduce recoil in a manual action rifle most of which are cheaper than purchasing a new semi auto rifle of the same caliber.
You assume that everyone owns a traditional stocked rifle. There is a group of people that already own those other rifles so it has nothing to do with cost.
if that is all they own then they are not pa deer/bear hunters.
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that is a fact, Iíve never argued that. There a tool that can allow the unsafe to become more unsafe.
And this takes us back to what makes PA Hunters less safe than those in states already allowing SA? Because NONE of those states saw an increase in accidents/incidents.
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that is a fact, I’ve never argued that. There a tool that can allow the unsafe to become more unsafe.

ANY FIREARM allows the unsafe to become more unsafe. the unsafe should not have a firearm, period !!


thats why they will not allow users of medical or recreational marijuana to buy a gun...any gun.
I agree completely. You figure a way to make all hunters 100% safe 100% of the time and I’ll suport any weapon you want.
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that is a fact, Iíve never argued that. There a tool that can allow the unsafe to become more unsafe.
Nope, Wrong again. Where are the facts that an AR that can allow the unsafe to become more unsafe? This doesn't even make any sense.
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that is a fact, I’ve never argued that. There a tool that can allow the unsafe to become more unsafe.
And this takes us back to what makes PA Hunters less safe than those in states already allowing SA? Because NONE of those states saw an increase in accidents/incidents.
double hunter density of the next state, immense popularity of SA rifles since the “ban” was enacted, deer drives and shooting running targets are the norm, no proposed caliber restrictions, no other state is even in the ball park.

The odds of someone being shot in a hunting accident are extremely low. I’d like to keep it that way. Allowing the most unsafe to have an increased rate of fire does nothing to accomplish that goal.
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there is no way to make anyone 100% safe no matter what they are doing at any given time. this includes driving. the only major safety feature during anything is using your brain.


other people in other states have no problems with their hunters using SA rifles for big game. but for some reason you are stuck on your perception that hunters in PA are more unsafe than any other State in America.

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I thought you were all about accurate data analysis. There are so many differences between the conditions in pa now and anyothete state that any comparison is useless.
List out those differences and we'll explore their fit and relevance.

You do realize that "differences" in non-factors have no bearing on outcomes, right?

You're willfully ignoring facts and reality because it does not conform to your desired outcome.
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