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yep thatís a common argument. But no one has any numbers on how many were against crossbows and then actually made the change. Besides even those who did could be thinking of you canít beat them join them. Rifle only hunters complain about archery season length but donít really care what weapon is used so why not pick up a rifle-like bow and add six weeks to your season.
Read around these forums enough, I think you'll find that "rifle hiunters don't really care what weapon is used so why not pick up a rifle-like bow..." concept is not widely accepted.

Many will bristle when that kind of thing is suggested.
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their own poll shows 62% preferred things as they are. Why go against that? Why would they not trust their own data? How can this do anything positive?
Read my crossbow comment.
between 50 and 75% of licensed hunters hunt the Monday opener now, that’s pretty high and 62% like it that way. If it changes participation on Saturday would be forced if you wish to hunt the opener. If it’s easy to say “just start your season on Monday and who care about the opener” then say the same to those who want it on saturday.
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yep that’s a common argument. But no one has any numbers on how many were against crossbows and then actually made the change. Besides even those who did could be thinking of you can’t beat them join them. Rifle only hunters complain about archery season length but don’t really care what weapon is used so why not pick up a rifle-like bow and add six weeks to your season.
Read around these forums enough, I think you'll find that "rifle hiunters don't really care what weapon is used so why not pick up a rifle-like bow..." concept is not widely accepted.

Many will bristle when that kind of thing is suggested.
you’re missing the point. Rifle hunters main complaint about archery is season length not weapon type. Any hunter who took up a crossbow and joined archery was not against crossbows even if the complained about archery season. Besides a rifle hunter using a crossbow didn’t have to give up anything to get that opportunity other than the cost of the equipment.
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youíre missing the point. Rifle hunters main complaint about archery is season length not weapon type. Any hunter who took up a crossbow and joined archery was not against crossbows even if the complained about archery season. Besides a rifle hunter using a crossbow didnít have to give up anything to get that opportunity other than the cost of the equipment.
And again....I've made that same point...I've seen others make that SAME point...and it starts knock-down/drag-out fights on here.
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you’re missing the point. Rifle hunters main complaint about archery is season length not weapon type. Any hunter who took up a crossbow and joined archery was not against crossbows even if the complained about archery season. Besides a rifle hunter using a crossbow didn’t have to give up anything to get that opportunity other than the cost of the equipment.
And again....I've made that same point...I've seen others make that SAME point...and it starts knock-down/drag-out fights on here.
sure, with guys against crossbows not guys who took advantage of a free opportunity.
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Thought i read that some of the BOC kids couldnít hunt Monday so they wanna make Saturday a day they could rifle hunt, how bout they go to college and earn their degree and worry about hunting when that happens.
I know from a PGC meeting several years ago they have data that shows that they lose hunters in those college age years. SOme come back after and some don't. Perhaps if they can allow them more opportunity to hunt during those years then maybe they will stick with it. This proposal may help with that.
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I know from a PGC meeting several years ago they have data that shows that they lose hunters in those college age years. SOme come back after and some don't. Perhaps if they can allow them more opportunity to hunt during those years then maybe they will stick with it. This proposal may help with that.
That should get mentioned by the BOC in this discussion. It would be compelling for some, I would think.....
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You guys do realize they are losing hunters at every age bracket not just college kids. There are more seasons than rifle for college kids to hunt deer. The guys i graduated with had no issues finding the time when they were in college and they still hunt. Still not a reason to change the opener because Johnny is in college and he is the son of someone i the BOC. BOO HOO.
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That's not what cspot's post is saying, though.

He's saying the BOC might have had data generated that showed a loss of hunter participants once they went to college and missed opening day due to college commitments.

If that is truly the data set they have, that should be compelling. If we're bleeding hunters when they leave home and go to college and could take a step to possibly retain some of those hunters, why WOULDN'T we do that?
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I know from a PGC meeting several years ago they have data that shows that they lose hunters in those college age years. SOme come back after and some don't. Perhaps if they can allow them more opportunity to hunt during those years then maybe they will stick with it. This proposal may help with that.
Good point on losing college age hunters. Most colleges resume classes the Monday following Thanksgiving and cutting classes to hunt Opening Day may not be an option for students. With the Saturday Opener they could at least hunt Saturday without infringing on their studies. There's just way way too many reasons to have a Saturday Opener that collectively make it a no brainer.

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