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Potter Co. Joe, at this point in time I doubt the PGC worries much about anything that collections of miscreants known as the USP has to say. They have shown themselves to be dumber than a box of rocks. They published the study because the study was done and to provide the information. Nothing more and nothing less.
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I imagine a young fisher only tackles a roosting turkey once or twice before coming to the conclusion that there are easier ways to eat than to attack a bird up to twice ones own weight out on a limb twenty feet off the ground.
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The article is quite contradictory.
In the side bar it says , as Fisher prey resources declined, so did the Fishers.
And by the mid 1920's the Fisher was all but gone.
Ok, in the graph that's listed of today's current Fisher prey the Vole is a whopping # 1 in there diet.
Go back to the mid 1920's was it the shortage of Voles that led to the Fishers decline or the shortage of Deer and Turkeys?
So what Species of prey declined to the point it had such a dramatic effect on the Fisher population?
I'd be willing to bet it wasn't the Vole. Records show what the Deer and Turkey numbers were back then. (Low)
Whether you agree or disagree with the USP, The spring 2018 news letter has an article in it questioning the PGC in regards to
Them reintroducing the Fisher and the effect on small game numbers they have had. A fact that small game has another Top End Predator to deal with.
So maybe they are not effecting the Turkeys but along with Coyotes the Fisher is another Killing machine.
It just makes me wonder was the timing of this article in Game News a coincidence or a defensive response to the USP claims that the Fisher reintroduction was a mistake an the PGC is trying to cover its Tracks. ( no pun intended).

The disappearance of the fisher probably had a lot less to do with the decline in prey than the decline in forested habitat. If you study the history of the state you will find that around the turn of the century our state was covered with lumber camps as they cut down pretty much every tree out there. The hillsides were bare of tree for hundreds of miles in just about any direction you looked. Those lumber camps also all had professional hunters who killed everything they could to feed the hungry Lumber Jacks. If it wasn't something to kill for food it was killed for its pelt.


So by the turn of the century they had killed just about everything. But, even if they hadn't there was no place for a fisher to live. Fisher are forest dwelling animals and there was simply no forest left. Besides food all animals also need the basic habitat requirements and what was needed for fisher to survive was simply gone in both habitat and food.


As the forests started to regenerate some small animal and game species started to come back into existence and eventually even thrived in a thick understory. Many other species, including deer, elk, turkey and beaver were reintroduced to kind of jump start their populations again.


But, all of the evidence pretty clearly shows that fisher are not a significant predator for deer or turkey. Now if you are a vole or a rabbit the fisher might be something to worry about, but for a deer or turkey fisher probably aren't much of a concern. Fisher don't use stealth while hunting so they aren't sneaking up on much of anything while hunting especially while climbing around in a tree. Fisher make a lot of noise in a tree and any turkey in a tree is simply going to fly away from their approach.


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Just me, or does it seem like those accusing PGC of introducing fishers to control turkey numbers, tend to be the same ones that've been accusing them of stocking 'yotes for deer control?

Yeah, probably just me? Getting older now and having a harder time keeping track of some of the "wisdom" floatin' around on the webs these days.

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Not sure if this will work. Here's the video of the fisher attacking the fawn.

https://www.facebook.com/james.rice....65450972/?t=17
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What is obvious by it's absence, is the one hunters seem to be most worried about, wild turkey. No reference to turkey eggs or the birds themselves.
The article didn't say TURKEY eggs, but it did say 3 fisher contained bird eggs. I'm not sure you can conclude they were or weren't turkey.
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What is obvious by it's absence, is the one hunters seem to be most worried about, wild turkey. No reference to turkey eggs or the birds themselves.
The article didn't say TURKEY eggs, but it did say 3 fisher contained bird eggs. I'm not sure you can conclude they were or weren't turkey.
You can't conclude they were not turkey eggs but can you conclude they could have been chicken eggs?

All of the fishers were collected between November and February. What wild birds have eggs in this time frame? Owls are about the only thing I can think of other than chickens.
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