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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 04-28-2017, 01:21 AM Thread Starter
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Need help rock building .

Well, I'm not really a builder or very mechanical. But I had to move in with my dad . He is 92 and needs a lot of help its hard to get away at all and sometimes it is frustrating , .. anyway I can go outside in yard to escape a while.. lots of rocks , I wanna build a fireplace in yard to cook on. Maybe rock furniture.. not sure what cement to use . Anyone have any ideas , or pointers.
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I'm not a mason but I would say regular mortor mix
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There are all kinds of details you need to think about when building a stone fire place. Do some research on the basics and decide what you want to do with the thing. Use it to burn trash or to actually have a place do do some outdoor cooking in an attractive (primitive?) fireplace. Look for things like: firebrick liner for fire box; smoke shelf in chimney to help develop draw; metal fire box supports for metal grate insert to cook on.
I have not built one in about 20 years and the first one I saw built was over 50 years ago by my grandfather at a place he owned in NW PA. He had a pile of stones delivered and went to work with a trowel, a mixing hoe, a pile of sand, bags of cement, and a thing to mix in. No plans, just his pipe and them crooked Italian cigars he chewed - never lit. It took him about a week due to breaks to go fishing and to let the mortar set. That fireplace worked fine and all of us used it for years. Wonder if it's still there?

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There are all kinds of details you need to think about when building a stone fire place. Do some research on the basics and decide what you want to do with the thing. Use it to burn trash or to actually have a place do do some outdoor cooking in an attractive (primitive?) fireplace. Look for things like: firebrick liner for fire box; smoke shelf in chimney to help develop draw; metal fire box supports for metal grate insert to cook on.
I have not built one in about 20 years and the first one I saw built was over 50 years ago by my grandfather at a place he owned in NW PA. He had a pile of stones delivered and went to work with a trowel, a mixing hoe, a pile of sand, bags of cement, and a thing to mix in. No plans, just his pipe and them crooked Italian cigars he chewed - never lit. It took him about a week due to breaks to go fishing and to let the mortar set. That fireplace worked fine and all of us used it for years. Wonder if it's still there?

I envy you.
He , your grandfather sounds like a he was a cool old guy. I bet that fireplace is standing unless someone knocked it down. I'm just looking for a cooking fireplace nothing too fancy , but functional . I guess I can go to the library , WiFi is slim here. And I use my phone , hard to see. Lol. And thank you for your time and reply .
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He , your grandfather sounds like a he was a cool old guy. I bet that fireplace is standing unless someone knocked it down. I'm just looking for a cooking fireplace nothing too fancy , but functional . I guess I can go to the library , WiFi is slim here. And I use my phone , hard to see. Lol. And thank you for your time and reply .
You know what? This summer I am going to head on up to Cochranton and take a look. Was going to do that last summer but stuff got in the way.

Good night Chesty, wherever you are......
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He , your grandfather sounds like a he was a cool old guy. I bet that fireplace is standing unless someone knocked it down. I'm just looking for a cooking fireplace nothing too fancy , but functional . I guess I can go to the library , WiFi is slim here. And I use my phone , hard to see. Lol. And thank you for your time and reply .
You know what? This summer I am going to head on up to Cochranton and take a look. Was going to do that last summer but stuff got in the way.
Keep me posted .
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Mortar mix would be just fine for laying stone. Just add very/very little water as you mix it for best results. Actually almost dry is the best mix for stone, as opposed to the mix for laying block or brick. Fill in any voids in the joints after you've finished a section, or at the end of a work session, then brush over the joints with an old large size paint brush. Shimming the stones with small pieces will be required as you go. Just keep going and make the joints pretty later as described above. It might be necessary to leave the shims till the joints harden the next day in some cases.
And thanks for looking after pop, at 82 I can appreciate how much that means to him.
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you know you need a footer right?

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Been wanting to put in a backyard closed BBQ pit with a brick oven next to it. Saw one in a back yard in Arlington VA, complete with an attached pavilion and tables for about 20 people. That guy did a lot of entertaining.

Down here in York county there is a museum called Indian Steps. There is a rather extreme outdoor kitchen of stone work behind the place that was used in its glory days to cook for huge gatherings.

Right now, I would be happy with an outdoor fire pit. But with a twist. I have the iron work to put a spit over the pit. I also want to be able to mount a tripod to hang my huge cast iron kettle (I think it is about a 35 gallon size.) over the fire to cook as well. When I was a kid, and my relatives got together out at a picnic grove for a weekend, they would make a huge cast iron kettle of bean soup or clam chowder for the crowd.

Keep in mind that most rock can't take the repeated exposure to high heat on one side and cold temp on the other without cracking and falling apart. So either use fire brick for a liner or plan so the are is large enough that the fire isn't directly exposed to the rock.
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All I can remember from boy scouts is don't use sand stone.
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