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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old 08-11-2011, 06:05 PM Thread Starter
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QDMA Whitetail Wisdom Pro Speaker Series

The Whitetail Wisdom Pro Speaker Series is underway in Nashville for the QDMA convention this afternoon. Dr. John Kilgo just reported that in his research at the Savannah River Site in South Carolina, 59% of all fawns collared for the study were killed by coyotes about six out of every 10 fawns.

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post #2 of 40 (permalink) Old 08-11-2011, 06:21 PM
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How many times can someone get paid for the same research?

I thought it has been determined numerous times that coyotes and bear kill a bunch of fawns. Deer studies are like watching re-runs of I Love Lucy. Everyone pretty well knows the answers or what will happen next, but we watch or in this case study it again.

The deer didn't disappear.... the 250,000 guys who used to walk around and make the deer move did.
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Re: QDMA Whitetail Wisdom Pro Speaker Series

HC, are you of the belief that science should stop seeking further knowledge of deer? Should we halt progress? Stop the train? Obviously there is much to be learned from continuing research. If we are now determining that coyote predation is higher than previously believed, then how did we reach that conclusion? Through continued research. We may be on the verge of drastic management changes if predation rates continue to rise and predator populations expand. Either we find a way to increase predator harvest significantly, or we may have to reduce hunter harvests to compensate. How will we know what to do and to what degree? by research. I just don't get your position here, or why excatly someone would ever not support maximum research efforts.
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What information is left to seek? If coyote predation is higher than what we believed, how do you feel that your going to influence this for the better. They can study whatever they want. Deer and coyotes have been here a long time. What does that tell you? Coyotes have not been successful at eating all the deer, and the deer haven't starved to death because they are over populating.

Coyote rates will continue to rise until the populations of animals they feed on decreases. You can kill them all on your 10 - 1000 acres and there will be a new coyote there next week.

If you don't believe me, then pass the hat and study it yourself. Or you can throw a rock at a pile of Deer and Deer Hunting Magazines from the last 10 years and likely hit an issue with an article covering the same thing.

Harvests are adjusted per WMU every couple of years when they see population trends. Adjustments at the micro level of just a certain property are likely only feel good efforts that make a guy feel like he's got control over his 200 acres.

I'm off my rant. Enjoy the seminar.


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Kind of falls in line with PA's collared elk. They've been studied, what is there to gain by continuing to collar and track them?
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Re: QDMA Whitetail Wisdom Pro Speaker Series

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Kind of falls in line with PA's collared elk. They've been studied, what is there to gain by continuing to collar and track them?
You are right, the money wasted studying elk could certainly be more wisely wasted further studying woods rats.
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Or even why todays Yogi prefers toddlers in pampers over grape preserves in picnic baskets. Its limitless I tell you!
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Coyote predation is somewhat dependent on the quality of the habitat does have for fawning.

We don't know anything about the habitat where this study was done. Altho, if it's SC, I would assume its thick, that said, much of this research is being done on a nuclear facility, so, is the area over populated due to limited hunting?

We don't know that.



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Thanks Gal. Good stuff. I would imagine the % of fawns killed by yotes is co-dependent on the population of other coyote food sources like rabbits etc.

There is always something new learned from these studies. Im pretty sure there's more to the study than what Gal posted :-)

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Re: QDMA Whitetail Wisdom Pro Speaker Series

if you think coyotes are a problem kill them id like to kill them all
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