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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 07-07-2017, 06:16 PM Thread Starter
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Sierra 7mm 168 gr. HPBT Matchkings for Hunting?

I posted this in the reloading section but figured I may get a better response here. I got a great deal on three boxes(300) of Sierra 7mm 168 gr. HPBT Matchkings. I would like to work up a load with these bullets in my 7mm Weatherby Magnum. Anybody here ever use these for deer hunting? I have a friend who uses the Sierra .308 200 gr. HPBT Matchking in his HEAVY bench gun in 30-378. He told me that Matchkings work fine. Any real world experiences you wish to share on the subject? Thank you in advance.

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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 07-07-2017, 06:30 PM
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It will get the job done? Yes Is it the best thing to use? No. Match bullets are designed for 1 thing... Accuracy. They're not going to have the same expansion, weight retention, etc... of a bullet intended for hunting.
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This is straight from the Sierra website-

"Can I use a MatchKing bullet for deer hunting? They shoot just great in my rifle, so they should be just super for hunting use, right?
No, it's not recommended. The MatchKing bullets are designed for pinpoint accuracy; with no consideration given to what might happen after impact. If the bullet has arrived on target accurately, its job is done at that point. Hunting bullets must perform in a certain manner after impact. Penetrating ability, expansion characteristics, and even profile must be considered when designing a hunting bullet. Use MatchKings for matches, and game bullets for hunting."
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post #4 of 15 (permalink) Old 07-10-2017, 03:28 PM
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The key thing is that, although a HP design, it is not designed to deform on impact. Whilst on occasion it may do so it won't have been tested for that, and bullets that have consistent accuracy may not produce consistent wounding/killing.

Also, on deer/bear/elk it would be illegal, I think, as the manufacturer has explicitly stated that the bullet is not designed to deform on impact - even if it did do so acceptably. Admittedly your chance of being picked up and cited for that is probably pretty low - but there are almost certainly better bullets out there.

You might find that that the bullets you bought for such a good deal shoot close enough to the same POI as the equivalent Sierra GK bullet and therefore makes a good practice/zero bullet.

Have a look at this guy's page on 7mm Weatherby he gives a lot of description of effects of different bullets on game....

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back when i first started loading i tried using 168 HPBT in 30 caliber match kings. i found out that they dont work well on deer. i shot them out of a 300 H&H mag and had to hit a deer 3 times just to knock it down. when i skinned the deer out, i found that those bullets were expanding on impact. did not penetrate any further then the hide or the ribs. the front shoulder looked like it was hit with a bunch of razor blades. if you are using the 7mm for deer i would drop down to 139 or 140 grain bullets in spiral points. just my opinion.
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SMK's are not illegal! As for performance of the specific bullet you mentioned I cannot vouch for, but the ones I've used out of big 30's perform with excellent results on every thing from ground hogs to whitetails. That's distances from 50 to almost a 1000 yards. I've also had good success with them in my 220 swift, which has put many varmints to rest and a few venison steaks on the grill.

I've seen bullets designed for maximum expansion have the same size exit hole as the entrance, and I've seen bullets not designed for expansion create crater sized exit holes. I cannot explain why but it happens.

I have a couple long range rigs and use either Sierra SMK or Berger target bullets exclusively, this year we're going to try a few 300 grain Berger Hunter elite's out of the new 338 Edge.
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post #7 of 15 (permalink) Old 08-26-2017, 10:13 AM
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Smk are absolutely illegal for hunting in pa, read your rules on ammo restrictions.
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Are you talking about, " a bullet designed to expand on impact"? I think the law is referring to full metal jackets not hollow points.
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Think about it this way, the law requires use of either an all-lead bullet, or one designed to expand on impact. Sierra do not recommend the use of this bullet for hunting (from their own website here):

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While they are recognized around the world for record-setting accuracy, MatchKing® and Tipped MatchKing® bullets are not recommended for most hunting applications. Although MatchKing® and Tipped MatchKing® bullets are commonly used for varmint hunting, their design will not provide the same reliable explosive expansion at equivalent velocities in varmints compared to their lightly jacketed Hornet, Blitz or Varminter counterparts.
I think you can safely assume that if the manufacturer says the bullet is not designed to expand on impact, then it does not meet the lawful standard set down by PGC.

If you don't believe me, call Sierra and ask them, or the PGC, but really, it's not hard to find real hunting bullets, and these SMKs might make a good plinking partner for either the 160 or 175 GK. The 100 yard POI shift is likely to be small.
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I have first hand experience with SMK's and can say with confidence they perform awesome for clean ethical kill shots. If this bullet didn't do that I'd be the first one to say don't use it.

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