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3030 ?

So i worked a load up for my 3030 using 3031.
I'm shooting 150gr Nosler silver tips. the most accurate load that I found was 29.2 gr of 3031.
2 questions:
1. What velocity am I getting?
2. What should I sight in at 50 Yds so that I can be dead on or good at 100yds?

I have a 4x scope on it, so zeroing at 100yds is difficult to say the least.
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Re: 3030 ?

nothing difficult about zeroing at 100 yards with a 4x scope. A 2 1/2 power is sufficient for 100 yards.

"A 30-30 is all you need. If you use a 30-06 you'll just hit a tree" -My Grandpa
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Re: 3030 ?

You're likely around 2200 fps.

1/2 high at 50 should be close at 100.

I agree though, sight in at 100. It shouldn't be that difficult if you use an adequately sized target. A three inch spot should be about right to quarter with the reticle.

These are just a couple targets I've shot at 200 yds with a 4x scope:





I like more magnification for shooting targets at 200 yards but 4x is enough. 100 yds should be fine. If you have a heavier reticle, you may need a bigger dot. I had a fixed 6x that I had to use 3" dots at 100 because of the heavy duplex.
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Re: 3030 ?

The crosshairs at 4 power more than likely cover you entire dot at 200 yards, pretty hard to target shoot for groups with a 4 power scope at 200 yards. It'll be fine in the woods where shots are usually way under 100 yards most of the time. I'd pick something different to hunt fields, powerines, strip cuts etc...
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Re: 3030 ?

Between 2100 & 2200,can't say for sure ?
50 yard sight in is good,say at 1/2 or 3/4 inch high. Even and inch will work.
Unless you have a spotting scope shooting at 100 will put on a lot of walking to see the hits !
You will do just fine.

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Re: 3030 ?

ah, didn't think to use bigger target sticker.../sigh...

just ordered some off amazon, will zero at 100.

thanks,
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I see no reason to sight in a PA deer rifle in at 100 yards. Especially that kind of a caliber. If you know your shots are going to be most likely less than a hundred yards, zero at 50, heck zero at 25 and see where it's at at 100.

Our typical shots range from 25 yards to 60 or so. I will zero varmint guns at 100 or farther, not deer guns.

Dads been zeroed at 25 yards with his 30-06 for years and years.
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There is a lot more to PA deer hunting than 25-60 yard shots for many of us. Most of my rifles are sighted in with a 200 to 250 yard zero. That puts me in the kill zone out to 250 to 300 yards without any hold over or dialing. I don't really give up anything by doing this. My bullet hits a couple inches high mid range. That's nothing on a deer.

A 25 yard zero vs. a 50 yard zero can make a difference of well of 6" in POI at 250 yds. The 25 zero is better for most rifles in terms of lengthening MPBR. There's still no reason not to confirm the more distant zero (which will be around 250 yds for a 30-06 class cartridge and 150 yards for a 30-30). Backwards extrapolation from a longer range confirmed POI is far more accurate than the reverse.
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Not for us. My furthest shot on a Whitetail in PA is 83 yards. Dad has been hunting for 45+ years and hadn't shot a deer over 100 yards. We just can't see that far. I usually can't see past 100 yards let alone shoot so there is no chance at a shot farther than that. We have no reason to sight in further than we do. Most of the deer we get with rifles are with in Bow range.

Dad used to sight in at 100 yards, until his uncle who was an Army Ranger scout sniper in Vietnam told him not to. There wasn't any need and still isn't. He was instructed to zero his service rifle, a 1903 Springfield 30-06 at 25 yards. With a 25 yard zero, the bullet will be less than an inch off at 100. 200 it would drop 5-6 inches. So you might have to hold a tad high at 200. People should zero at what ranges they anticipate on shooting at.
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People should know the trajectory and POI of their bullets at any range they are willing to shot at game. If you know you will never take a shot at over 100 yards you will likely be fine zeroing at 25 or 50 or any distance between 25 and 100 yds. If you do a little research and spend a little time at the range, you can prepare both your rifle and yourself to make shots at somewhat longer ranges without giving up anything at close range. I figure I might as well be as prepared as possible.

I think there's some confusion about zeroing and sighting in. As I mentioned, the 25 yard zero often gives a pretty decent MPBR but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't shoot and confirm/adjust at longer ranges. For something like a 30-06 I could have a 25 yard near zero which will again be zeroed somewhere just shy of 250 yards. I'll likely never sight the rifle in at either of those ranges, though. Shooting at 100 and 200 yards allows me to confirm a trajectory. If I sight in so that I'm 2.5" high at 200 yards and can confirm that I'm around 2.75" high at 100 yards, then my 30-06 will be zeroed at 25 and 250 yds. If I then shoot at 300 it gives me an even better data point to confirm trajectory.

I'm not familiar with the 30-06 ammo used by the Rangers in Vietnam but it would take a very low sight height with something like M2 Ball to be much more than 3" low at 200 yards when using a 25 yard zero. Once you put a scope on, you will be high at 200 with the same 25 yard zero.
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