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Your thoughts on Bullets for Deer

Hello, new to this forum but not to deer hunting (40 years and reloading for 30 years) and am a retired explosives specialist so I have a fair understanding of ballistics and such...

I grew up deer hunting in PA when if you did not shoot a 30 caliber you could be evicted from the state or at least looked at with great suspicion. I have over the years and from moving around the country and living in different areas been exposed to different hunting conditions and ideas.
Here based upon my own educational back round, work experience and first hand experience are my ideas. I now live in KS where 400 plus yards could be a chip shot and our deer are slightly bigger on average than most areas. I have seen does field dress over 200 lbs on scales run by biologist.

OK enough babble, a huge buck will have an 18 inch thick chest and 14-15 inches more the norm. Deer are not thick skinned or heavy boned. So if you are doing mostly chest shots I would bet 90% of deer hunters aim here. You need a bullet that starts to expand within 2-3 inches of penetration and dumps as much energy as possible quickly.

With this knowledge I now shoot 6.5 mm bullets either 100 to 120 grains. I have never had a deer take a step when shot from 25 to 400 plus yards and have killed @ 30 deer with these bullets. I use Nostler BT or Sierra pro hunters. I know a lot of people like big and slow or want a good blood trail. My thought, one DRT no need for blood trail, two if you bullet goes clear through how much energy did it not deliver to the deer?? remember it its still going it is using energy.
Some people complain about meat damage with fast smaller bullets true when I field dress them they look like soup inside with the biggest lung piece about the size of a silver dollar. Heart gone....But deer right there. LOL

You could argue big and fast but with recoil and it being a whitetail not an Elk or Moose I don't see the need to get bruised up plus they are expensive to shoot and reload compared to other two areas.

Just curouis what your thought are????

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Re: Your thoughts on Bullets for Deer

You need look no further than the old time tested Nosler Partitions or Barnes X-bullets, they both have stood the test of time and are all you'll ever need for anything you care to harvest in Pennsylvania !
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You need look no further than the old time tested Nosler Partitions or Barnes X-bullets, they both have stood the test of time and are all you'll ever need for anything you care to harvest in Pennsylvania !
^^^^ best answer... or Hornady SST if you want to save a few bucks.
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Re: Your thoughts on Bullets for Deer

I am no authority,but i use what works for me and my hunting area.
I use Sierra Pro Hunters in my 243,100 grain bullets and 150s in my 30 caliper guns.
I have found,over the years,that i don't have to push these bullets to the Max for them to do their job on a deer.
Iv'e used all the other brands,over 50 years,and won't say one is better than another,just what i like.
As Big Buck has said,i have made long shots and close ones.

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Re: Your thoughts on Bullets for Deer

I like a bullet that will work in the expected situation and also handle an unexpected situation. If the bullet hits bone (shoulder) or you have a hard quarteting-to angle, I want that bullet to be able to penetrate and stay together. I also want good and quick expansion. That's why I go with the Barnes X bullet.

DRT doesn't always happen and no exit wound or blood trail is not optimum.

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if you bullet goes clear through how much energy did it not deliver to the deer?? remember it its still going it is using energy.
The bullet that failed to exit actually ran out of energy before it made it through the deer. The bullet that expands and still exits.....that bullet had plenty of energy to spare. The bullet that couldn't make it through did not leave more energy. I might have even left less. It simply ran out of steam.
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WOL First all the bullets I mentioned almost always exit I guess I did not state that right. However, your statement defies physics. If both bullets weigh the same are at the same speed they are going to deliver the same energy. Lets say 2,000 pounds of energy. If one did not exit it DID deliever all 2000 FPE to the target. It did not just disappear. The other bullet that exited did not deliver all 2000 because it was still moving.

6-Dasher both bullets you mention are excellent Elk rounds the particion bullet I know from working with those companies and from tons of experiments done with my work was not designed for whitetail deer. In 15 inches it probably will not reach maximum expashion until about 12 inches. THus almost out the other side of the deer, leaving about 3/4 of you target not getting maximum damage. That just is the fact. I know alot of people like them but the truth is they were designed for other animals. I have done boo-koo studies and experiments for law enforcement agencies on the effects of bullets on targets.
The hornady SST is very similar to both the bullets I mentioned in performance.
Bullets are kind of like trucks I guess everyone has an opinion on what they like. I have just based mine off of time in the lab, range and watching them work. I can tell you that the right bullet makes a huge difference. You should be getting a lot more DRT if your shooting the right one.

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Why didn't the other bullet exit, if everything else is the same? I guess I am mistaking the argument over the power of the cartridge being too fast to leave energy in the target. Which is a different argument. That is the argument that would conclude that a 30-30 dumps more energy than a 300 Mag because it leaves all its energy in the deer. My mistake. We are talking about the same bullet weight, diameter and velocity.

I will agree that a faster expanding bullet will leave more energy in the deer than a FMJ of everything else is the same. But, not being able to exit is a failure on some level. How do you determine at what point the bullet should fail? Right under the hide on a broadside shot could turn into subpar penetration on a quartering-to angle.

That's why I want controlled expansion bullets. They quickly expand to dump energy and make a large wound channel. But they will continue to create that wound channel all the way through to the other side.
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Re: Your thoughts on Bullets for Deer

Another thread on how to complicate killing a white tail deer
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Another thread on how to complicate killing a white tail deer
It makes good banter. And, if you ever trailed a deer for a long distance, you probably had a lot of ifs and whys going through your head.
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Re: Your thoughts on Bullets for Deer

Good one ROBOZ, LOL got to do something on slow days. WOL were on same sheet of music, sorry but being old my typing skills are not that good. The most important thing is to be confident in what you are shooting. Bullets have come along way in 50 years. Especially for the smaller faster bullets. You have a lot less bullet failure now than you did back in the day. I can remember people talking about how bullets in fast small guns would fail. If nothing else it was great stories for a young boy to listen too.

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