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reloading 222

Reloading 222:
Sierra 50 Spitzer
IMR 4895 23.5 gr. will not fit in new Winchester Brass even though the max load as indicated in my "One book one Caliber Manual" is 25.0.
I have verified the 23.5 gr on two scales.
It will fit in a Remington case, but the Remington does not appear to hold the 25.0 either ...never tried the 25.0 in the Remington.

Obviously there is a difference in the interior case dimensions/capacity.

Is it safe to load the 23.5 in the Winchester case as a compressed load?

Have lots for Winchester Brass and short on Remington...any recommendations?

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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-31-2016, 08:55 PM
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Re: reloading 222

If you have any concerns at all, back off a gain or two and work back up, checking for excessive pressure signs.

It's really a shame how bad things have gotten with much of the brass that used to be very good. The inconsistencies are mind boggling.
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Re: reloading 222

I did back off a gr. to 22.5 and I am presently cleaning and sizing some of my old Fed and Rem. bass to use on the heaver loads. Funny when I surfed the web I found info. which reported the opposite...that one would get more capacity in the thinner wall Win. However, the Win. walls appear to be thicker??

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Re: reloading 222

Just load 22.5 in five w/w cases and fire them, resize and see if 25.0 will fit in the once fired stretched cases, it doesn't matter how much will fit in, it's the pressure created in that size that makes the velocity. I know modern manufacturing leaves a little to be desired at times but that's a lot to be blamed on that. And if the wall thickness is the problem you might be getting the same pressure=velocity with one grain less powder, this is the old time bench rest champion of the 40's/50's, one of the most accurate cartridges ever designed...believe it or not, one shows up on the line even today
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Re: reloading 222

Testing today...

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Re: reloading 222

There are much better powder choices for the 222. 4895 is really slow, that's why you're getting case fill. Try H4198 or IMR4198, RE7 or RE10, H322, 748 or my favorite N133. Stick to something in that burn rate with the 50's.
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Re: reloading 222

Thanks for the info. very informative.

Also testing 222 next with IMR4198 4064 and 748. Best group 3 shot today with IMR 4895 22.5 Sierra 50 gr Spitzer (.035) Win.case

2nd 23.6 Sierra 55 gr. Spitzer (.572) Rem. case. All other were over an 1."

Spent 5 hrs. on the range also tested 223 Win 70 Varminter, 243 Custom, 270 Ruger 77, 22 Ruger and a 45ACP Colt. Fun day. Now back to the reloader tomorrow.

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Stay away from that 748, no ball powders for me, bad bad experiences with big point of impacts with temperature change...
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Re: reloading 222

I never used anything other than 4198 in my .222.
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Re: reloading 222

You realize that new cases will hold less than fired and resized cases?
Have you tried using a drop tube under a funnel? The longer the better and generally the smaller the drop tube bore will make a huge difference....if you pour the powder slow. I always had best luck with IMR 4198. Absolute best is N-133 but it gets finicky in low humidity. FWIW all my .22 cal's liked to be jumped at least 0.060"
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