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#2902948 - Tue Dec 25 2012 08:22 PM Allegheny national forest grouse hunting help
OHhunter12 Offline
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Loc: Cleveland Ohio
Hey everyone I'm new to the site from the cleveland Ohio area. Last year a buddy and me did a grouse hunt through allegheny wilderness outfitters in Tionesta. We hunted on our own just had the guide show us a few spots. We ended up finding 2 of our own spots and put up about 15 grouse in a day and a half of hunting. We have gone back 2 times since and have flushed only 1 grouse. Do grouse migrate? or where did they go? I'm new to grouse hunting love the birds I am would pay someone to guide me to few grouse in Tionesta. We hunted off of Town line Rd. mainly off of Rt. 666. Any help would be appreciated

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#2903010 - Tue Dec 25 2012 09:14 PM Re: Allegheny national forest grouse hunting help [Re: OHhunter12]
burk313 Offline
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Registered: Sun Jan 28 2001
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Loc: Chambersburg,Pa
grouse populations fluctuate up and down yearly...Just get out and look for them along forest roads that have gravel on them...

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#2903051 - Tue Dec 25 2012 10:10 PM Re: Allegheny national forest grouse hunting help [Re: OHhunter12]
ruffedG Offline
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Yep, grouse numbers are down from last year... And I wouldn't post specific spots on the internet...you will put too much pressure in a small area and possibly hurt the population there for years...

Why don't you go through allegheny wilderness outfitters again??

G

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#2903069 - Tue Dec 25 2012 10:40 PM Re: Allegheny national forest grouse hunting help [Re: OHhunter12]
Penndraght Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 13 2010
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Loc: 1A
Grouse don't migrate but numbers do fluctuate from year to year. Its not uncommon to go to an area that only a few weeks ago you had several flushes and only have a few. If some one by chance hunted that area earlier in the day or the day before you could come up empty. Its important to have an idea on what they might be feeding on and concentrate on those areas first. Since you are new at this make an effort to check the craw of all Ruffs you harvest. You will begin to understand what they feed on and what time of the season they feed on it. Grouse amaze me on what they eat. Not much they won't eat. Where you find them in abundance in the early part of the season you might not in the latter part.

One thing about grouse hunting if you want to consistantly do well you have to do your homework.

Tionesta is a good area. I would concentrate on looking for clearcuts. Not to young but not to old. Ones where the majority of the trees are 1 to 3 inches in diameter. Also there are a lot of barberry bushes in that area. They produce a red berry. This time of year they can be hot.

Question? are you using dogs or just walking them up.

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#2903071 - Tue Dec 25 2012 10:51 PM Re: Allegheny national forest grouse hunting help [Re: ruffedG]
OHhunter12 Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 24 2012
Posts: 5
Loc: Cleveland Ohio
they had a fire in their cabins and closed the hunting portion of the operation down unfortunately

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#2903074 - Tue Dec 25 2012 10:54 PM Re: Allegheny national forest grouse hunting help [Re: Penndraght]
OHhunter12 Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 24 2012
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Loc: Cleveland Ohio
we were just walking them up ourselves. should the clearcuts be thick enough that it's almost inpenetrable? also there are logging areas where the logging companys leave the tree tops on the ground are these good areas?

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#2903090 - Tue Dec 25 2012 11:15 PM Re: Allegheny national forest grouse hunting help [Re: OHhunter12]
kyle31490 Offline
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Registered: Sat Jan 23 2010
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Loc: Bradford, PA (Mckean)
Grouse will lay in open timber, pines, super thick cuts, beech brush, etc etc.

I am not too big into targeting grouse but often flush 20 plus a day. Especially while bear hunting.

If you wanna come up to Bradford I'd show you more spots than you'd know what to do with. I could limit out right behind my house anytime I'd like to. Common critters up here and not hunted hard.


Edited by kyle31490 (Tue Dec 25 2012 11:17 PM)

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#2903183 - Wed Dec 26 2012 05:37 AM Re: Allegheny national forest grouse hunting help [Re: OHhunter12]
Penndraght Offline
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Registered: Mon Dec 13 2010
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Cuts in that area are best if they are between 8-15 years old. Still difficult to get through. When walking them up, walk and stop a lot. You will put more birds in the air that way. Ruffs get nervous when you stop and there not sure what your up to. The edge of the cut next to older growth is normally the best area. Cover it all but pay particular to the edges If you can find large areas of Barberry bushes you should have no trouble walking some up. You normally find them in older growth cuts or alot of times along low lying stream beds. Good luck

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#2903687 - Wed Dec 26 2012 04:00 PM Re: Allegheny national forest grouse hunting help [Re: OHhunter12]
Pine-Creek Offline
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Registered: Sat Apr 02 2011
Posts: 2490
Loc: Pa Mountains, Life Member NRA
OHhunter,
Grouse numbers are down a little in some areas,
the best way to see more Grouse is to own a good Grouse dog,
and do your hunting with the dog. Grouse will usually stay in the same mile area of where they were born, unless the food disapates or the Grouse are over predatorized. Grouse coverts depend on food and habitat to survive. You may find Grouse in one area of a mountain during the early part of the season, and almost a mile away in the winter,
due to the winter habitat & food mass. If a Great Horned Owl finds the Covert, the Covert can be damaged severely and have only a few birds remaining alive, lots of different thing influence Grouse covert locations and numbers.
Pine Creek/Dave


Edited by Pine-Creek (Wed Dec 26 2012 04:03 PM)
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#2903752 - Wed Dec 26 2012 05:00 PM Re: Allegheny national forest grouse hunting help [Re: ruffedG]
Nes Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 23 2006
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Loc: Elk County, Pa
Originally Posted By: ruffedG
Yep, grouse numbers are down from last year... And I wouldn't post specific spots on the internet...you will put too much pressure in a small area and possibly hurt the population there for years...

G


If it's only you and Ohhunter I can't imagine the population geting hurt. kiss

Penndraght describes it pretty good. If there are logging roads thru the clear cut they act as an edge also and can be productive
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