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#2852959 - Thu Nov 15 2012 10:50 AM Re: Baiting bears in PA [Re: walkercoonhunter]
croz2173 Offline
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Registered: Tue Nov 06 2012
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Loc: ANF
Ill never buy a license again if baiting deer or bear ever becomes legal in my wmu.

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#2852970 - Thu Nov 15 2012 10:57 AM Re: Baiting bears in PA [Re: walkercoonhunter]
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Registered: Mon Oct 24 2005
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Loc: cumberland co. 4B-5A
Bears already steal picnic baskets. That makes the Ranger mad.

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#2853002 - Thu Nov 15 2012 11:34 AM Re: Baiting bears in PA [Re: jkhunter]
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Originally Posted By: jkhunter
Originally Posted By: pappybear
Originally Posted By: jkhunter
Originally Posted By: hunterdan199
if you honestly dont think 80 percent of bears killed during the bear archery season are shot over bait i got a gallon of snake oil for sale for you.


Do you have proof of this? That's pretty insulting to some of the guys that get them legally and probably a reason some don't post there pics and success stories on here. 80% really?


Probably closer to 50% unless camp corn feeders don't count.


So the stats dropped 30% in about 4 hours that's not bad by 3:00 it will probably be closer to the real number smile


Pardon me, I forgot that many hunters only have feeders at their camp to see game at camp, not the area they actually hunt. help
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#2853021 - Thu Nov 15 2012 11:55 AM Re: Baiting bears in PA [Re: walkercoonhunter]
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The baiting would be problematic, but would like to see dogs be allowed as well as a 2 month season of Mid september thru mid November. Any legal weapon allowed. Be nice to be able to hunt them over natural occuring bait. I always see bear during archery when the acorns are down, then they are into the corn fields and off the mountain by the archery bear season.
The current system does nothing but screw up buck hunting, right now the bucks at camp are running hard, we always see bucks during bear, but after the immense pressure of bear season the bucks disappear.
I'd rather enter a lottery and get a bear tag every 5th year and have a shot at a big bear. Keeping the current system just out of tradition makes no logical sense.

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#2853034 - Thu Nov 15 2012 12:08 PM Re: Baiting bears in PA [Re: old greybeard]
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I like some of your ideas OGB exept for the dogs. I think dogs would create a lot of trespass issues.
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#2853036 - Thu Nov 15 2012 12:08 PM Re: Baiting bears in PA [Re: pappybear]
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Loc: Russell, PA
Originally Posted By: pappybear
Terrible idea. This is not the Canadian Wilderness. Most PA bears live close enough to wander into residential areas. If you allow baiting, there will be a dramatic increase in "Trouble Bear" reports.... Bears are always loosers in this conflict.

This is an excellent point that should be reinforced. Here in PA "a fed bear is a dead bear" is pretty much guaranteed. With a dense population of humans, fed bears become dependent. That's not nearly so much a problem in more sparsely populated states and Canadian provinces.

Besides, too many people are habituated to handouts are enough of a drain on the system to add bears to the problem! grin

Steve.
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#2853044 - Thu Nov 15 2012 12:18 PM Re: Baiting bears in PA [Re: Everyday Hunter]
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You get it Steve. thumbs
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#2853068 - Thu Nov 15 2012 12:37 PM Re: Baiting bears in PA [Re: pappybear]
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i like the dog idea put them in a tree judge the size of the bear before you take him or let him go for next year
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#2853407 - Thu Nov 15 2012 06:13 PM Re: Baiting bears in PA [Re: walkercoonhunter]
MrLuck Offline
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Registered: Wed Dec 10 2008
Posts: 772
Loc: Pennsylmusky
I skipped from page one 1 and to be honest at work today the 6 guys I work with all hunt. We all agreed you should be able to bait bear. You bring up great points on being able to harvest mature bears etc etc..Pa I think is going backwards in the Hunting dept rather then forwards with many of the species we chase. Deer and Bear being the main ones. Driving bear to me I feel is more garbage hunting then baiting and harvesting one thats mature!!
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#2853451 - Thu Nov 15 2012 06:49 PM Re: Baiting bears in PA [Re: walkercoonhunter]
dtpa Offline
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Registered: Sat Apr 10 2010
Posts: 767
Loc: Elderton, PA
Driving bear is garbage hunting!?! Really? Driving bear is more like 4 days of nonstop exhaustion, excitement, and comraderie all rolled into one. Any PA bear is a trophy. You guys who talk about selectively harvesting only adult boars, you're not in Canada. This ain't Shockey's hunting adventures, and you ain't jim shockey! That works there, where bear populations are high, and bear/ human interaction is low. Here in PA, with our short season, letting sows & cubs pass would never control the population or the nuisance bear problem. And if you think bears don't reproduce at an alarming rate, take Armstrong County as an example. 15 years ago, there were only a handful of bears killed here. The number climbs every year. It is several times what it was then, and will only continue to rise.
I cannot stand people putting down other man's methods, when they have not the foggiest knowledge of those methods. Half these posts on here are from people who have never shot any bear, let alone enough of them to start trophy hunting PA black bears.
And while I'm at it, the dog hunt would never work. I'm a houndsman, and I can tell you that is but a dream. There are such a huge number of posted, 45 acre-holding land baron deer worshippers out there, who think if a hound runs any game thru their tiny slice of heaven, the place will be barren of all forms of wildlife for the next year, that it will never work out. The dogs are not the problem, the "posted, these woods are for me, and only me, do not you dare tread upon" mindset of everyone today is. My grandfather believed your woods should not be posted, they should be shared. But everyone today is so wrapped up in the deer / big buck managing thing, and think the only way to do that is eep every other soul off their property, and are so uneducated about how other wildlife reacts to a hound chase passing thru, that it would never, ever work.
As far as the OP's original question, baiting would be a viable option for the archery season, but it would create too many conflicts with the other bear and deer seasons. And yes, guys would use that as a cover for shooting deer. I do not think it would be as effective here as it is in canada, because our bears have a readily available food source all the time anyway, between all the farming, oaks, and autumn-olive covered old strip cuts, there would not be much need for them to hit a bait with any regularity. The best bait you'll find here is a standing cornfield, or better yet an old isolated apple orchard tucked away in some back hollow. You find the right one of those, it's better than a baitsite. And you don't have the months of steadily packing bait in to maintain an active bear bait.

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