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#2808935 - Wed Oct 10 2012 08:12 AM Alsheimer Rut Predictions
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Did anyone read the annual deer and deer hunting to see the best day prediction that they always come out with? It is the one article that I always like to read because they have done many years of research to predict based on moon phases, etc. If anybody has any info that would be great.

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#2808963 - Wed Oct 10 2012 08:40 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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I did not read it, but went to one of his seminars 2 years ago, and he said last year that the rut would not be very good in our area, he said that the primetime, if you will, would be while we were sitting on our behinds once bow season ended, and before the start of rifle. I'm sure everyone in different places experienced different things, but I would say Mr. Alsheimer was pretty spot on with what I saw out of hunting last year. And I stress, with what I saw. You can hunt 6 days a week during deer season, I'm out for at least 4 of them. As he talked about 2012, he said that was going to be the year we would see it full blown as bow hunters, he said October 31st - Novemeber 7th is when it will explode. I know this because I was taking notes in my phone on some key things he said.

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#2808971 - Wed Oct 10 2012 08:51 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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Rutting moon on 29th of October. He is pretty spot on every year. Its gonna be fun watching it unfold this year

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#2808974 - Wed Oct 10 2012 08:53 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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Not sure what he said for PA but Ill. chase phase is Oct 29 to the 7th. Hope he's right, thats when I'll be out there. smile I enjoy his info as well and actually find him to be pretty accurate. Most of the time its like duh, who doesn't know that but occassionally when the best action is predicted to be earlier or later in the season it's amazing how right he is.

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#2809000 - Wed Oct 10 2012 09:20 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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from oct.30, to about nov 14, is the best time to be in your stand . year after year

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#2809013 - Wed Oct 10 2012 09:37 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: mdmlm]
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Originally Posted By: mdmlm
from oct.30, to about nov 14, is the best time to be in your stand . year after year


True dat!
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#2809015 - Wed Oct 10 2012 09:39 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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I can't believe people actually believe that Charlie's predictions are correct for the PA free range whitetail rut. The has been years of hard data against what Charlie has said. The peak breeding day in PA for our free range whitetails is always right on or around the 14th of November, regardless of the moon.
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#2809038 - Wed Oct 10 2012 10:10 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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I'm not saying that I worship him as a deer God or anything like that, it was a seminar that a Vendor of mine was offering at his church, so I went. I figure the man is talking about deer hunting, so why not, I'm always game to hear somebody's thoughts and theories on deer.

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#2809060 - Wed Oct 10 2012 10:33 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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All i will say, is that i saw little if any rutting activity last year. Comparing it to 2010 on the same properties, it was night and day.

It can;t be any worse than last year, did not even get the op to draw on a legal buck at all.
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#2809131 - Wed Oct 10 2012 11:46 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
Thunderhead 2b Offline
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Loc: beaver county
Last year moon on November 9th. It was just getting started and our season was over. His prediction was on last year too. I don't worship the guy, but I believe he knows what he is saying.

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#2809143 - Wed Oct 10 2012 11:53 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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Rutting activity I noticed last year was way down compared to the previous year, 2010 I actually saw bucks chasing does, last year I saw squirrels chasing chipmunks. I also remember last year having warmer temps, even in rifle season, not saying that temperatures has anything to do with rut.
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#2809150 - Wed Oct 10 2012 12:00 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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I can not say I know when the "peak" is. But I do know this. Last year I took off the first full week of November (remember we got hit with the Halloween storm). On hunted as much of the week as I could (while dealing with no power, gas generators etc). On Wednesday I was in a field getting dressed (it was warm) and 3 deer ran into the field that I was standing in (2 buck and 1 doe). The doe stopped and the biggest of the 2 buck mounted her, right there in the middle of the field with me standing only about 50 yards away (full blown deer porn). When he was done he could care less about me, he was only concerned about keeping the smaller buck away from the doe. Friday of the same week that very buck was tending what I beleived to be the same doe. I watched them for over an hour and he would not leave that doe.
Not sure if that is peak behavior or what but that was definitly one week where that buck had one thing on his mind.
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#2809156 - Wed Oct 10 2012 12:05 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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Awwwww man, I took off from Oct 28th through Nov 12th this year. What an awful time to have off work and to be in the woods.
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#2809160 - Wed Oct 10 2012 12:08 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: Buckeroo]
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Originally Posted By: Buckeroo
Awwwww man, I took off from Oct 28th through Nov 12th this year. What an awful time to have off work and to be in the woods.


I know! I took off November 1st through November 10th. I just can't believe I did that! That is going to be awful spending my days off in the deer stand all day! lol
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#2809173 - Wed Oct 10 2012 12:19 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: HighNoonFlyer]
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I like to read the F and S article that highlights the best days to hunt. However, I have learned that the worst thing you can do is look at it as an absolute or a garauntee. More days than not, I saw more activity on those days. But I remember one year I sat the entire "best" day (in 5C private land mind you) and I got skunked.

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#2809185 - Wed Oct 10 2012 12:26 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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I have to say, Id rather hunt early season over food...then the rut.

I dont see rut activity in my area like I hear people talking about all the time...
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#2809217 - Wed Oct 10 2012 12:46 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: theaceman]
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Well thanks for the info guys, I certainly do not worship anyone's predictions but I will say that when an early or late rut is predicted it does have SOME merit. I always put my most faith in the last two weeks of the season like everyone else but as a teacher, making the decision to take off one of my very few days available, I want to make a well-informed decision. Good luck fellahs! I will be out tonight as soon as this school day comes to an end. I know one thing for sure, I will take rut over early season ANY day of the week!

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#2809237 - Wed Oct 10 2012 01:05 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: theaceman]
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Originally Posted By: theaceman
I have to say, Id rather hunt early season over food...then the rut.

I dont see rut activity in my area like I hear people talking about all the time...


x2.
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#2809285 - Wed Oct 10 2012 01:54 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: theaceman]
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Originally Posted By: theaceman
I have to say, Id rather hunt early season over food...then the rut.

I dont see rut activity in my area like I hear people talking about all the time...


Ive archery hunted 16 years now, Ive never experienced anything in my area like talked about in books. Its either due to pressure or something else.

I will say, Ive scouted enough after the end of archery to know that the scrape lines explode a week after we are done.
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#2809446 - Wed Oct 10 2012 04:16 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: theaceman]
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Originally Posted By: theaceman
I have to say, Id rather hunt early season over food...then the rut.

I dont see rut activity in my area like I hear people talking about all the time...


I never see the big guys until the rut starts. Before I put out trail cams I thought the big ones always came from a far. However, I get the old guy on cams, but mostly late at night until the rut starts when they often appear during the day and can be called in to range.

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#2809457 - Wed Oct 10 2012 04:25 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: jlh42581]
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Originally Posted By: jlh42581
[quote=theaceman]I have to say, Id rather hunt early season over food...then the rut.

I dont see rut activity in my area like I hear people talking about all the time... [/quote

Ive archery hunted 16 years now, Ive never experienced anything in my area like talked about in books. Its either due to pressure or something else.

I will say, Ive scouted enough after the end of archery to know that the scrape lines explode a week after we are done.


I see the activity every year. I have had bucks on several occasion almost run over me while chasing does, I have one chase a doe around my vehicle three times before I could even get out to hunt. I often watch them go at each other lowering their antlers, pushing and sneaking up on each other to attack. It is very entertaining and makes up for all the days I sat out there seeing nothing.

I once called a young buck with 10 yards as I hid behind a tree on the ground, he walked away and I called him back three times.

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#2809459 - Wed Oct 10 2012 04:27 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: Double Lung 20]
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Originally Posted By: Double Lung 20
Originally Posted By: theaceman
I have to say, Id rather hunt early season over food...then the rut.

I dont see rut activity in my area like I hear people talking about all the time...


x2.


I have stands in 3 spots here in Potter, that I wont touch until the rut. Right now, there is literally nothing there; no rubs, scrapes, tracks, or even any food. NOTHING! However, around Halloween when I go check them out, it's a guarentee that the area will be destroyed. Sometimes, you just have to hunt terrain and have faith bucks will use it as a staging area or place to get from "A" to "B". I have killed my last 3 bucks this way, and my knowledge of hunting terrain, not food, just keeps getting better and better. Try it sometime, you wont be sorry.
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#2809463 - Wed Oct 10 2012 04:33 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: archeryman32]
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I completely agree. There are two areas I have like that. I killed a seven point an 8 pt and a 10 pt from the same tree in 4 years. I call it my rutting hollow. All 3 were running doe, two on the last day of archery

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#2809471 - Wed Oct 10 2012 04:39 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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If you haven't seen rutting activity in person, it's quite a show... from the panting bucks completely out of breath to excited quick grunts with their nose to the ground.

The wildest I've ever seen was on the Sunday (one day after archery ended) in 2010. While driving through the neighborhood where I grew up in Beaver County, my dad and I saw a 130-class 10 trying to keep four other young 8's away from a doe obviously coming into estrous in someone's yard. The poor guy would run one off, and another would try to sneak in from the other side.

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#2809482 - Wed Oct 10 2012 04:50 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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Love the chasing scenes...a few years back....they were in full swing of chasing does and chasing off bucks...a whole week of nonstop action...and all i did was miss 2 nice bucks...one of them twice...lol...hope when i am off this year(11/1-11/12) they are in hot pursuit
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#2809528 - Wed Oct 10 2012 05:29 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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Last year I had bucks chasing does all around me on the 1st day of bear season.Other than a few very small bucks,I never saw any real chasing during archery season.

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#2809540 - Wed Oct 10 2012 05:37 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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Buckinnuts I am jealous of your vacation schedule!!!


Edited by KenBuck (Wed Oct 10 2012 07:38 PM)

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#2809548 - Wed Oct 10 2012 05:46 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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See very little if any rut activity here. In fact where I'm sitting now is loaded with rubs from last year, I hunted here the last day and shot a doe. None of these rubs were here then. It always seems to be the week after archery closes. Bummer
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#2809687 - Wed Oct 10 2012 07:29 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: DxtHunter86]
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Originally Posted By: DxtHunter86
Buckinnuts I am jealous of your vacation schedule!!!

new schedule at work....took 5 vacation days and off two weeks...love it


Edited by KenBuck (Wed Oct 10 2012 07:39 PM)
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#2809771 - Wed Oct 10 2012 08:27 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: Double Lung 20]
338/378wm Offline
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charlie is more spot on than anyone in pa could ever predict

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#2809839 - Wed Oct 10 2012 08:54 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
Live2Bowhunt Offline
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I cannot believe nobody clearly sees the contradiction in the whole rut process prediction business.

We clearly understand the the rut is brought on by photoperiodism, which is an animals reaction to change in daylight hour lengths. Being that the first day of summer is the longest day, and the first day of winter is the shortest day...the length of daylight never changes from year to year. The amount of Daylight on November 1st 1999, is the same amount of daylight on November 1st, 2012 and even if its not identical, its within 10 minutes. If that is true, then the rut would start the same time every year, which it mainly does here in PA, being the 2nd week of November when most of the does are bred.

Hunting from October 20th till the end of the season shows an increase in buck activity. Theres no need for silly predictions or guess work. We all see fawns the same time every spring, we all see a peak in buck harvests once November hits and thats proof enough in my book. The majority of the breeding happens during a close period of time, that way when the does start fawning in the spring, they flood the market so to speak, so predators cant pick them off one at a time while they drop. Breeding occurs 2nd week of November in PA.


Edited by Live2Bowhunt (Wed Oct 10 2012 08:55 PM)
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#2809890 - Wed Oct 10 2012 09:18 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: Talonracer]
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Loc: York Co PA
Originally Posted By: Talonracer
See very little if any rut activity here. In fact where I'm sitting now is loaded with rubs from last year, I hunted here the last day and shot a doe. None of these rubs were here then. It always seems to be the week after archery closes. Bummer


you will see bucks roaming and making those rubs from oct 25 - nov 7. alot of bucks get on lock down and then its dependent on the doe walking by. By far the majority of bucks r cruising first wk of nov.

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#2810430 - Thu Oct 11 2012 11:46 AM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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Ive seen rutting action, just never while in the woods in central pa during bow season. Ive shot bucks in full rut but I have never had a day where deer were just all over the place.
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#2810485 - Thu Oct 11 2012 12:31 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: Double Lung 20]
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Registered: Mon Apr 04 2011
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Loc: 5c, NY
Originally Posted By: Double Lung 20
Originally Posted By: theaceman
I have to say, Id rather hunt early season over food...then the rut.

I dont see rut activity in my area like I hear people talking about all the time...


x2.


I have had some unforgettable days hunting the rut that i would never have had hunting the early season over food. Days where i would see 9 or more different buck in one day at any time of day. I like so many others wish we could predict when this time happens every year but it is very difficult....the only thing i could say is put the time in the stand and maybe one year you hit it just right and you too will say the rut is the best part of the year.

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#2810556 - Thu Oct 11 2012 01:34 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: charman03]
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Instead of worrying about the moon phase I worry about what the temperatures are going to be. Superhot temps can turn the chase phase into a nocturnal event. Way more important in my opinion.

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#2810564 - Thu Oct 11 2012 01:41 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: LONZO]
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Originally Posted By: LONZO
Instead of worrying about the moon phase I worry about what the temperatures are going to be. Superhot temps can turn the chase phase into a nocturnal event. Way more important in my opinion.


agree

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#2810574 - Thu Oct 11 2012 01:50 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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Just want to clarify what I said earlier, I do see very little rut activity around here during archery. What there is - is very spotty. Two years ago I rattled up a huge buck on a midday hunt, only time I ever saw a buck react to rattling around here. The year before that I got two bucks to grunt at each other then the bigger buck chased the smaller buck, i was in between them grunting away. These are the only two incidents I can ever recall seeing any rut activity. I use scents, GOOD scents too. I get them from a guy who owns his own deer herd, its not commercial stuff. Last year I has a beautiful walk walk right over a fake scrape with his Doe in Estrus I made at the beginning of november. No reaction at all. Seen a big buck last year just saunter thru the woods just out of bow range, no reaction to scents, grunts, or light rattles and he even ignored the 3 doe standing around. Trust me guys I'd love to see the rut during bow season, but like I said it cranks up around here the week after bow season.
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#2810829 - Thu Oct 11 2012 05:56 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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I'm on my fourth year of a detailed journal and tracking data on deer, and it's of course a no-brainer that a few days before Halloween until around Nov. 10th is prime time.

The "peak" of the rut is not good hunting, bucks too easily locked up on doe.

So far my data says if I only have three days, look around that Nov. 5 date for the cool weather. Not much insight there!
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#2810903 - Thu Oct 11 2012 07:24 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: zdawg]
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If the weather is cool, the week to be in the woods will be from the 20 thru 27oct.

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#2811087 - Thu Oct 11 2012 09:17 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: Live2Bowhunt]
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totally disagree with you on this one. not all the does aree bred at the same time in pa. not even close. i have seen fawns born more than 2 months apart in pa. so that shoots holes in your theroy that all the breeding takes place in the short period of time in which you explain. you are correct that the rut is usually the same time every year. the rut varaies in intensity every year but takes place over a much longer period of time.

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#2811106 - Thu Oct 11 2012 09:28 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: 338/378wm]
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He didn't say all does, he said most does and the bell curve proves it.

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#2812003 - Fri Oct 12 2012 04:36 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: Thunderhead 2b]
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I'll 2nd that!!! If the temps cooperate, we may be in for a great few days around Halloween and the week following!!!!
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#2812213 - Fri Oct 12 2012 08:34 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: 338/378wm]
Live2Bowhunt Offline
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Loc: Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: 338/378wm
totally disagree with you on this one. not all the does aree bred at the same time in pa. not even close. i have seen fawns born more than 2 months apart in pa. so that shoots holes in your theroy that all the breeding takes place in the short period of time in which you explain. you are correct that the rut is usually the same time every year. the rut varaies in intensity every year but takes place over a much longer period of time.


My theory is that the majority of the bucks breed the does the middle of November, however, if you consider erratic estrous cycles beginning 28 days ahead and after the main rut, then you will have 3 actual ruts, the main rut squeezed between 2 intermediate ruts. Does with erratic estrous cycles will come in early, which is what I think explains the sudden onset of all the rubs and scrapes we see occur very quickly in October then all of a sudden stops. (Estrous cycle lasts 24-36 hours) so that would explain it. Then of course, the does not bred in November would cycle again 28 days later in December for the late rut..which is small because most does are bred then.

Not everybody will experienece the early October rut, because the doe age group has to include older does or young does that were born earlier than the rest. Like a teenage girl or mature woman, their cycles can be erratic..so this early rut is never set in stone to happen in your area. You can only see it happend once it has by the sudden explosion of rubs and scrapes happening all at once. It wont last long, so you got to hunt quickly to have a chance to capitalize on it once you see the explosion of activity.


Edited by Live2Bowhunt (Fri Oct 12 2012 08:38 PM)
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#2812219 - Fri Oct 12 2012 08:41 PM Re: Alsheimer Rut Predictions [Re: Live2Bowhunt]
338/378wm Offline
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correct live2bowhunt i couldnt have explained it better myself. end result.... dont worry so much and just get out and hunt

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