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#2622082 - Mon Mar 19 2012 05:07 PM Restricted air space ?
Hunterisme Offline
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Registered: Thu Aug 25 2011
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Loc: here and there in Pa
Apparently, snow geese get better wind resistance by drafting.

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#2622091 - Mon Mar 19 2012 05:22 PM Re: Restricted air space ? [Re: Hunterisme]
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Registered: Tue Jan 11 2011
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Loc: SE PA
sorry, that`s not drafting................

Cooperative fluid dynamics techniques like drafting are found in nature as well. Flocks of geese and some other birds fly in a V formation because the wingtip vortices generated by the front bird will create up-wash circulations. The birds flying behind will receive lift force from these up-wash vortices. Thus other birds in the flock do not need to work as hard to achieve lift. Studies show that birds in a V formation place themselves roughly at the optimum distance predicted by simple aerodynamic theory.[6] The theory behind this is the same as the one for the wings of an airplane in general.[citation needed] However it does not work quite the same way as drafting in racing. Birds fly in a flock for better lifting force whereas the race cars stay close for less total aerodynamic drag force.

Other animals have been observed to use true drafting behavior reminiscent of auto racing or cycling. Caribbean spiny lobsters for example are known to migrate in close single-file formation "lobster trains".[7][8]
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#2622143 - Mon Mar 19 2012 06:16 PM Re: Restricted air space ? [Re: Hunterisme]
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Loc: Chester Co.
My eyes are going crossed starring at that pic, very cool.

#2622145 - Mon Mar 19 2012 06:18 PM Re: Restricted air space ? [Re: Hunterisme]
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Cool! thumbs

#2622180 - Mon Mar 19 2012 07:01 PM Re: Restricted air space ? [Re: bad primer]
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Registered: Sat Oct 28 2006
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Loc: Chester County, PA
I am sending this to all my goose buddies who have insisted that they fly in a V formation to impress chicks. I knew they were nerds all along.
Sail on, sailor.

#2622228 - Mon Mar 19 2012 07:48 PM Re: Restricted air space ? [Re: Hunterisme]
Stonewall Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 05 2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Hawley, PA
great capture!
Keep 'em in the ten ring

#2622263 - Mon Mar 19 2012 08:10 PM Re: Restricted air space ? [Re: Hunterisme]
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Registered: Thu Aug 25 2011
Posts: 772
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I am fully aware of the V formation and aerodynamics of birds in flight, it was a play on words for the topic, but appreciated the information. A few others showing natural flight. It is amazing to me the amount of limited air space and the ability to use the space wisely.

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#2622523 - Tue Mar 20 2012 06:47 AM Re: Restricted air space ? [Re: Hunterisme]
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Registered: Wed Jul 18 2007
Posts: 14577
Loc: centre county
nice pics
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#2622607 - Tue Mar 20 2012 09:03 AM Re: Restricted air space ? [Re: Hunterisme]
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Registered: Sat Jun 23 2007
Posts: 668
Loc: Columbia County, PA
Nice Work, Carl! It's amazing that they don't constantly run into each other and how they can communicate as a flock with all the honking and flapping going on around them.


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