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#2622291 - Mon Mar 19 2012 08:29 PM Re: Bait with roots [Re: 59Willys]
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No it's a flood control area. There are times the water gets so high that it's over the tree tops. Mostly happens in the spring if we get alot of rain and a major snow melt. Last season was rough down there. Did alot of wading to get to some of my spots. It holds deer though every year even though there is not much food. I think they do alot of traveling at night and are back down along the river bottoms well before day break.
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#2622295 - Mon Mar 19 2012 08:32 PM Re: Bait with roots [Re: Takemrarely]
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WOW, That's tough hunting,My hat is off to you sir. music

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#2622296 - Mon Mar 19 2012 08:34 PM Re: Bait with roots [Re: Takemrarely]
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what river is it?

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#2622298 - Mon Mar 19 2012 08:36 PM Re: Bait with roots [Re: 59Willys]
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Originally Posted By: hunter-2
WOW, That's tough hunting,My hat is off to you sir. music


It is but it's also alot of fun. I like going into tough places other hunters try to avoid. I usually have to start my walk 2 1/2 hours before daylight to get there in time to set up. Plan on going out next week to get one of my stands ready for the fall. Can't wait ! thumbs
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#2622303 - Mon Mar 19 2012 08:37 PM Re: Bait with roots [Re: 59Willys]
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Originally Posted By: hunter-2
what river is it?


I will send you a PM.
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#2622308 - Mon Mar 19 2012 08:41 PM Re: Bait with roots [Re: Takemrarely]
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Sounds good.

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#2622379 - Mon Mar 19 2012 09:32 PM Re: Bait with roots [Re: RWBROOKSJR]
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Originally Posted By: RWBROOKSJR
Originally Posted By: hightine
Thx. I see no issue with hunting plots (as some tried so deseparately to paint me).

I do have property in a good deer funnel with over 20 big white oaks in my yard with a steep drainage, a good year round flowing creek. Never counted the oaks down the drainage and up the other side. Probably 20. See deer in my yard often. I could plant something there if it excited me, but it doesn't. Not jealous; just don't care. I have never been a jealous person. I think it's a terrible and infact an unhealthy quality for a person to have. It eats some people up badly and that is sad. I think food plotting is neat and is good for wildlife. I am able to separate plots and the "dump corn" bait sites. Some are not, and that is okay because their opinion matters to them, just as yours does to you. I see the difference, the law does too.

As for your comment after your answer, we'll have to disagree on that. The key to me, is intent. An oak stand: I did not place it there. It's intent is not to deer farm. It's intent is not to hunt over. It's intent is not to alter game movement for the benefit of a hunter. At this point, I am part of the food chain and yes, I am certainly taking advantage of a food source..oaks dropping acorns. However, by hunting an oak stand, I am hunting the deer on their terms. By hunting something artifically placed, I am hunting them on my terms. Explain to me how they are the same ?

RB-Admin - did I mention I set a crossbow hunter up this past year. Took him to a spot he has never been, heck not even the area. I helped him set up a blind. He did not shoot a deer but he did get a turkey with his crossbow. Not that it matters to you, since you've already made your mind up.


You say you own some property, what do you do for wildlife besides keeping their numbers in check. If you have deer coming to your backyard, why don't you plant food for them the year round. Do you buy oaks, other nut bearing trees, fruit trees, cut browse in the winter, put food out during the winter? Anyone owning land should be a conservationist first, a sportman second and harvester next, our goal should be to leave this earth, in a better condition than we found it.



On my property, very little. Any work I do in the yard or around the house, I take the trimming back in the woods for whatever wants them instead of cutting them up for the trash. But the intent of that work is for the house. What I carry back into the woods isn't something I'd consider habitat improvement. I've kicked rabbits out of some of the piles I make. I down anything that is dead to let sunlight in but again, it's not a routine or something I look at as habitat improvement. I've thought more than once putting a plot in at the end of the yard as I know it would bring more wildlife in. I could probably get a crack or two at deer if I spent a few days there with or without a plot as it's a transition/feeding area that's very secure.. There's a whole ridge of white oaks they head to and from most evenings; I just have no interest. I do not buy seeds, nor put out food during winter. The neighbor owns a bunch of area where they bed and allows hunting, but again it doesn't interest me. It would only be conducive to hunt there Saturdays, and during vacation which I'd rather spend else where.

Most habitat work I do is at my father's house. He has a plot, which needs some care and about 20 crabapple trees that need some major trimming. They are quite old and many are in bad shape. The deer trails look like motorcross tracks. It's a great sanctuary with alot of food but make no mistake about it.. we watch the deer all the time but it's there for his hunting. I put a trail cam there with a decoy every year during the rut for pics of ticked off and horny bucks. laugh
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#2622481 - Tue Mar 20 2012 01:04 AM Re: Bait with roots [Re: steelhead125]
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NO one should be expected to spend their money, for food plots on open land where it is legal to do, only those they enjoy doing so.

My contribution to public land hunters is not hunting SGL's, which I also contributed to the purchase and upkeep for 58 years now.

Could you explain to me, how I'm supposed to feed and hold deer on my property, with 7 acres of food plots and 5 acres of woods, with the woods being inside my neighbors safey zone? My area is an AG area, how do I tell the deer that my crops are better than the others? My corn fields and soybeans attract the deer after the farmers harvest their crops, is that such a bad thing, to feed the deer, turkey and squirrels over winter?
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#2622502 - Tue Mar 20 2012 04:52 AM Re: Bait with roots [Re: Takemrarely]
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key to me, is intent. An oak stand: I did not place it there. It's intent is not to deer farm. It's intent is not to hunt over. It's intent is not to alter game movement for the benefit of a hunter. At this point, I am part of the food chain and yes, I am certainly taking advantage of a food source..oaks dropping acorns. However, by hunting an oak stand, I am hunting the deer on their terms. By hunting something artifically placed, I am hunting them on my terms.

Could not have said it any better....thanks Hightine.
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#2622505 - Tue Mar 20 2012 04:58 AM Re: Bait with roots [Re: Takemrarely]
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Go ahead and make food plots unlawful, then when herd reduction is required, will that make you happy?

So, without food plots, PA hunters can't kill enough deer to keep up? Not sure I agree with that one....
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