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#2498235 - Mon Dec 19 2011 09:51 AM Re: Election - All Polling Data - One Place [Re: timberdoodle]
Bluetick Offline
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Sorry, wrong link.

But, the wide differences in polling are still in play:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...imary-1588.html
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#2498825 - Mon Dec 19 2011 04:02 PM Re: Election - All Polling Data - One Place [Re: NotATroutFisherm]
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 Originally Posted By: NotATroutFisherm
You must well fact facts Ron Paul has ho chance of the presidency until he changes his views on foreign policy.

His isolationist view will attract Libertarians some Independents and even Democrats it's not the over all view of allot Americas and especially traditional Republicans and most all Conservatives.

Everyone said that he wouldn't get over 3% of the vote.

Everyone said that he isn't relevant.

Everyone said he'd never be "top tier".

Everyone said he can't win.

NOW this "Everyone" fella is saying stuff like "Iowa will lose its relevency if it votes for Ron Paul".

Take a look around.
Ron Paul just gained 10% in New Hampshire - a little more growth in polling and Obomney will be within the margin of error.

Isolationism ≠ Non Interventionism

People are beginning to research their positions - and IMO it is a great, great time for our nation.
We finally have a Small Government guy with a real chance.
Sure, it's not set in stone. There's a heckuva lot of work to be done.

The Establishment has only begun to fight.

Ron Paul, with his appearance on Leno, has proven that he will respond to attacks.

InSanitorum and Bachmann have been exposed as the bigots they are.

If you want to believe that Iran is actively seeking and within weeks or months of a nuclear weapon, please prove Ron Paul incorrect. It should be easy to do, the IAEA reports are online.

The latest report is dated from November 2011. It's pretty extensive and details the Iranian nuclear program.

[spoiler alert]

There is nothing in the IAEA report that states Iran is even actively seeking nuclear weapons, much less that they are within months of achieving their supposed goal.

I know because I read the report. doubledogdareyou to do the same.

So one needs to wonder why inSanitorum and Bachmann wish to kill Iranians.
I think Ron Paul is spot on - both of them hate muslims.

I mean if that's what they are hanging their hats on, I'm sure that there's a percentage of the population that agrees with them.

But they could at least be honest about it.

In 1982 Israel bombed an Iraqi nuclear site.
One person running for president voted with Israel's right to protect itself - not even Ronald Reagan, the UN, Congress & Senate backed them up.

That man is Ron Paul.

Israel can protect herself.
Sending our young men and women to war with Iran based on bad information, rumor and innuendo is Iraq War 2 redux.

Isolationism?
or
Non-Interventionism?

Is there or is there not a difference?

American Fighting men support Ron Paul more than ANY other candidate - they also support the Constitution - do you or do you not support the troops?
Do you or do you not support the Constitution?
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#2498873 - Mon Dec 19 2011 04:30 PM Re: Election - All Polling Data - One Place [Re: erschiessen]
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Not sure what Israel was protecting themselves against ... everyone knows there was no nukes in Iraq ... And that Stuxnet virus thing - internet lore - there's no nukes in Iran \:\/
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#2498903 - Mon Dec 19 2011 04:46 PM Re: Election - All Polling Data - One Place [Re: Rabbit410]
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No-one knows.

I refuse to go over to kill Iranians.

I find it funny that the folks sending you, your kids or loved ones to die for rumors have a little tougher time putting their butts on the line themselves.

"Serial Hypocracy"
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#2499694 - Mon Dec 19 2011 10:24 PM Re: Election - All Polling Data - One Place [Re: erschiessen]
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 Quote:
American Fighting men support Ron Paul more than ANY other candidate - they also support the Constitution - do you or do you not support the troops?
Do you or do you not support the Constitution?


I support the right to free speech and Ron Paul's views on foreign policies are dangerous. The United States is a military superpower and with that power comes responsibility. Paul's view's are outside the mainstream thinking on things like foreign aid and this countries responsibility to it's allies. Paul also has made off the wall comments about 9/11 and going back to the gold standard. Ron Paul wants to gut the military budget another disastrous move in a world filled with communism and extreme radicals. In this line of thinking Paul in no different than Obama.

Paul has yet to come under the microscope of the so called mainstream, but if he continues rise in the polls so will the scrutiny, His numbers will drop like hat at the first sign of a raciest comment or that unseen skeleton. Paul's isolationists and libertarian views may appeal to some young people and the left-wing pacifist as well as some Independents but it is a sub-zero gain to the evangelicals.

Paul has made tactical error on his thinking about foreign issues though I believe these are deep-core honest views that he sticks by, they are just wrong for America. He has decided to run as a Republican when he is a isolationist and a libertarian because he knows there is other chance at the Presidencies but through the Republican party. Paul faces a political mountain that he will not be able to summit because he is outside the Republican establishment, if the intellectual Republican GOP's don't kill him the mainstream media will, that's just the way it is.
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#2499757 - Mon Dec 19 2011 10:57 PM Re: Election - All Polling Data - One Place [Re: NotATroutFisherm]
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Paul also has made off the wall comments about 9/11 and going back to the gold standard.


And last night he made off the wall comments on Jay Leno, saying that Bachman hates Muslims, and that Santorum hates Muslims and Gays.

He really ia a pitiful old man, saying anything he can to get some attention. And telling college kids he'll let them smoke dope to get their vote (err, his 10 percent)
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#2499762 - Mon Dec 19 2011 11:01 PM Re: Election - All Polling Data - One Place [Re: John Henry]
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and he brings home the bacon for his district even though he claims he never supports such measures
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#2499781 - Mon Dec 19 2011 11:17 PM Re: Election - All Polling Data - One Place [Re: NotATroutFisherm]
erschiessen Offline
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So, you don't support the Constitution? Or the Troops?

The "intellectual" republicans are incorrect in virtually ALL of Ron Paul's positions. But why let facts enter into this, right?

The "intellectuals" are using lies to say RP's foreign policy with respect to Iran is 'dangerous'. Bald-Faced Lies.
They know that the non-thinkers in the GOP won't bother to fact-check them, and take them at their word as they attempt to unbiblically wrap themselves in the Lord's cloth.

Truth is Truth - if one is required to break the 9th Commandment in order to gain votes, does that make said political hopeful "honest"?

The IAEA report NOWHERE STATES that Iran is actively seeking a nuclear weapon, much less that they are within weeks or months of acquiring one... much less a nuclear missle striking Israel (nor the USA).
Dr Paul also thinks that Israel is more than capable of dealing with her neighbors as a sovereign state. We all know that militarily, no one in the region would stand a chance against her. Bankrupting our nation in order to keep chains on Israel does Americans no good - neither is it biblical, if one is a person of faith.

Ron Paul's stance on 911 is in full concurrence with the CIA. The CIA states that we weren't attacked because we are Free. They state we were attacked because of our unconstitutional meddling in the affairs of Arabs since 1953.

Several of the 911 Commissioners stated that they believe that the Bush Administration, Pentagon and Intelligence organizations did not fully tell the truth with regards to their input on the Report. Those same commissioners believe that a full, independent investigation into 911 should be carried out.

Paul Wolfowitz agrees with Ron Paul with regards to American Military in the shadow of the House of Saud. It will cause further blowback due to the "infidels" being so close to Mecca.

So, to think that RP lives in political fantasyland is to be outside of the realm of reality.

He is on the correct side in terms of History, Constitutionalism and Biblical doctrine.
If Ron Paul is wrong, then aren't all of the experts from where Ron Paul gets his information also incorrect?
Man, that's a lot of incorrectness if true.

One should check their premises if they think scrutiny will hurt Dr Paul. Especially if the "intellectuals" are half as intellectual as they portray themselves to be.

With regards to the Gold standard - it is also FACT that governments that are forced to have something backing their currency can NOT have the rampant spending that we 'enjoy'.
It forces government to live within its means, just like the people. Only banks and the Uber Left would think that living within ones means is not mainstream. If it doesn't matter, why bother with a link to the debtclock? The Leftist GOP hopefuls will not cut a single cent of spending. All of their proposals take away some increases in spending... so we'll still spend more money, but just not as much as Obama. They'll increase the debt, just at a nicer pace.

In fact, I'd wager (if I were a betting man) that the majority of folks registered GOP were alive when the US was taken off of the gold standard.
It wasn't all that long ago.

So here we are back at the beginning.
The Leftist Big Government GOP Establishment will attack Ron Paul.
If he has ANY chance of a response via the media or advertisements, the scales will (hopefully) fall from the eyes of the people that were unknowingly Leftists themselves.

I quoted Ronald Reagan the other day, perhaps you missed it.
 Originally Posted By: Ronald Reagan
If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.

The Libertarian Party should also be considered the Conservative Party - as historically the two are closer to being congruent than the Pro-War Unconstitutionalists. Libertarians began to abandon the GOP when the GOP began to be corrupted by the Left.

The government big enough to tell you what is good (or bad) for you is also the same government big enough to tell you who you are able to pray to. Big enough to tell you who you can work for. What you can say. Where you may or may not travel. Whether or not you may raise children. When you will be sent to GITMO. Who should be killed.
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#2499847 - Tue Dec 20 2011 12:22 AM Re: Election - All Polling Data - One Place [Re: erschiessen]
John Henry Offline
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wow, E, I knew you were a conspiracy theorists, just didn't realize how gullible you really were!
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#2499855 - Tue Dec 20 2011 12:28 AM Re: Election - All Polling Data - One Place [Re: John Henry]
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what are you spouting about?
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