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#2370994 - Mon Sep 26 2011 07:57 PM .22 mag for deer
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I just returned from a week in Maine and was shocked while reading their hunting regulations. They permit use of .22 mag. for deer. No .22 lr or .17 rimfires but say the mag is ok.

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#2371018 - Mon Sep 26 2011 08:05 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rflktrman]
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Very early on in my hunting experience I saw a kid, hunting for the first time, shoot a deer with a 22mag. It was sickening. The deer was finally dispatched by hand and it was a pitiful site. That is way undergunned.

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#2371118 - Mon Sep 26 2011 08:34 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Roscoe62]
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Many deer have been taken using a 22MAG 1 shot with one hole between the eyes and one in a lower front leg.
Deer raises leg in an attempt to keep the bright light out of it's eyes LOL! LOL! LOL!
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#2371126 - Mon Sep 26 2011 08:36 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rflktrman]
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Years back I saw it done a couple times.Lung shots and average deer went aprox 50 yds.All 1 shot kills.In the hands of an expert it will do the job.

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#2371132 - Mon Sep 26 2011 08:37 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rflktrman]
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Possible sure....would I do it? No.


Edited by rancher00 (Mon Sep 26 2011 08:38 PM)

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#2371165 - Mon Sep 26 2011 08:47 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rancher00]
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I have seen a .22 LR take care of them quickly, so I have no doubt a .22 mag would do the same. A properly placed shot is the key. I would not recommend it for a long range weapon, and I definately wouldn't chose it to go hunting with.
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#2371283 - Mon Sep 26 2011 09:23 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: cspot]
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Its called disrespect for the animal because it very rarely offers a quick humane kill.

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#2371339 - Mon Sep 26 2011 09:41 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: burk313]
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 Originally Posted By: burk313
Its called disrespect for the animal because it very rarely offers a quick humane kill.


Shame on Maine!!!
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#2371390 - Mon Sep 26 2011 10:03 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: ToothHunter]
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Most people are assuming that Maine hunters carry a 22 mag.I doubt that is the case.It's probably an old regulation that was never updated.How would you feel in almost deerless woods with a 22 mag when a Moose walked by you?Pretty stupid I would think.They probably carry an 06.
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#2371402 - Mon Sep 26 2011 10:09 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Hiamovi]
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I agree. I doubt anyone in the state is hunting with one for deer. It is similar to PA that the .220 swift is a legal round for deer since it is a centerfire, but I don't know of anyone using one.
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#2371416 - Mon Sep 26 2011 10:16 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: cspot]
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I sometimes use my 22-250 with 45gr barnes TSX, kills deer deader than a door nail but it definetly has limitations and shouldnt be used by a novice, I pass up everything except the text book type shot. the other 99% of the time I use my 350 or 6.5 rem mag though.
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#2371735 - Tue Sep 27 2011 08:41 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: 700varmint]
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 Originally Posted By: 700varmint
I sometimes use my 22-250 with 45gr barnes TSX, kills deer deader than a door nail but it definetly has limitations and shouldnt be used by a novice, I pass up everything except the text book type shot. the other 99% of the time I use my 350 or 6.5 rem mag though.


I know a family who hunts way back in, most of them have Mod 99 savages in 22-250 'cept one or two have 760's in 30-06. Good round in an experienced hunter but I will stick w/ my .270...
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#2372053 - Tue Sep 27 2011 11:53 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: wis bang]
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This brings back memories of a gun raffle at my sporting club years ago. A very well known poacher was present and the club was raffling off a Marlin .22 mag. The poacher anounced for everyone to hear that he has killed more deer with a .22 mag than with a deer rifle. He also stated it was a better deer killer than most deer rifles.

I had a poacher at a jobsite I was on a few years ago tell me that nothing kills deer as quick as a .222.

As for me, I don't have to worry about noise like poachers do and I like to have a .270 or .30-06 in my hands.
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#2372180 - Tue Sep 27 2011 01:17 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: *Moose]
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I have a very accurate 222; however, for deer I would take nothing smaller than my 243.

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#2372300 - Tue Sep 27 2011 02:53 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Born2Hunt]
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If you can't place the shot it doesn't matter what gun you have. It's just like hunting with a bow. You can shoot a deer in the rear end with a .300 and it's not going to have the effect of a .222 shot in the heart.

That being said, I am ashamed to say that my grandfather liked to hunt with a .22 hornet...I think that's taking it a little too far.
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#2372340 - Tue Sep 27 2011 03:29 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: HankTheTank]
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A gut shot with a 300 Win mag or a 222 is still a gut shot. Put either cal. in the vitals & the deer is dead.

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#2372446 - Tue Sep 27 2011 04:56 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: RayRay]
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I've shot a couple with a .222. It didn't kill them any quicker or less quick than the ones with my 300RUM. Hit 'em right and they fall over.
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#2372456 - Tue Sep 27 2011 05:02 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Born2Hunt]
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 Originally Posted By: Born2Hunt
I have a very accurate 222; however, for deer I would take nothing smaller than my 243.

I've killed many deer with a .222, but i'm not a poacher! ;\)
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#2372472 - Tue Sep 27 2011 05:10 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: great white hunter]
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In North Carolina there is no minimum caliber for deer or bear.

And yes people use a .22 Mag to kill them.

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#2372496 - Tue Sep 27 2011 05:25 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Hiamovi]
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 Originally Posted By: diablo666
Most people are assuming that Maine hunters carry a 22 mag.I doubt that is the case.It's probably an old regulation that was never updated.How would you feel in almost deerless woods with a 22 mag when a Moose walked by you?Pretty stupid I would think.They probably carry an 06.


that .22 Mag would kill that Moose also!

You and others busting on Maine Guys being able to use a .22 Mag to kill deer...

Have any of you Ever helped Butcher Pigs and Cattle?
All that is used is a .22lr to kill them, 1 shot and they are not getting back up!

A Deer and Even a Moose would be the exact Same Way with the Correct Shot!

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#2372543 - Tue Sep 27 2011 06:00 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Woodywoodduck]
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Maybe the hunters in Maine are better shots than the hunters in Pa.?

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#2372611 - Tue Sep 27 2011 06:59 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: 410-er]
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No reason a .22 Mag would not kill a lung-shot deer quite handily at short range. If rimfires were legal in PA I would not hesitate to carry one of my 5mm Rem Rimfire Mags (a bit stouter than the .22 Mag) in deer season. Wait and pick your shot and start filling out the tag. Problem is.......probably not everyone would use proper restraint in waiting for shot placement. And that's where you'd run into trouble.
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#2372787 - Tue Sep 27 2011 08:22 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Strut10]
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I was not getting down on people using a .22 mag, just thought it odd, Personally I like to use my .300 Win mag and though not pretty I have seen deer gut shot with one of them and deer died very quickly, much faster than one hit with a lesser caliber. No I did not gut shoot one.

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#2372815 - Tue Sep 27 2011 08:34 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Woodywoodduck]
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 Originally Posted By: Woodywoodduck
 Originally Posted By: diablo666
Most people are assuming that Maine hunters carry a 22 mag.I doubt that is the case.It's probably an old regulation that was never updated.How would you feel in almost deerless woods with a 22 mag when a Moose walked by you?Pretty stupid I would think.They probably carry an 06.


You could kill them with an ice pick; it doesn't make it a sensible weapon for deer hunting.

that .22 Mag would kill that Moose also!

You and others busting on Maine Guys being able to use a .22 Mag to kill deer...

Have any of you Ever helped Butcher Pigs and Cattle?
All that is used is a .22lr to kill them, 1 shot and they are not getting back up!

A Deer and Even a Moose would be the exact Same Way with the Correct Shot!


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#2372957 - Tue Sep 27 2011 09:31 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rflktrman]
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The first year I had my 300RUM, it was used by a friend who shot a small buck dead center in the guts on the first day of rifle season. Chunks of intestine, and corn kernels were found at the impact sight(from the neighbors corn field), and we trailed it for abourt half a mile until the snow melted and we couldn't follow the very sparse blood anymore. We looked the rest of the day for it, and couldn't find it. We found it the 3rd day of the season, about 500 yards from where we lost the last blood in a thicket two days earleir. The same buddy shot one the next year, in the same exact spot(middle of the guts), with a 6mm remington and it ran 200 yards, bedded down, and died in 15 minutes. The small bullet fragmented better(more bullet design than caliber size) and led to more shock and blood loss. It's not always the bigger caliber that wins out. But good shot placement wins every time. I'd take a good hit with a .22mag over a marginal hit with a 300 win mag any day.
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#2372973 - Tue Sep 27 2011 09:38 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Borden811]
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Your buddy needs practice and a set of nose plugs.

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#2372985 - Tue Sep 27 2011 09:45 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Roscoe62]
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 Originally Posted By: Roscoe62
Your buddy needs practice and a set of nose plugs.


Ole Gut Shot Harry, their is one in about every five shooters.....

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#2372997 - Tue Sep 27 2011 09:50 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Ripnmax]
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If you PUSH any wounded deer it can go for miles including gut shot deer..If you know you hit the deer in the guts you wait a couple hours and it will die in a shorter distance..

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#2373033 - Tue Sep 27 2011 10:04 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: burk313]
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My uncle killed two bucks with a 22 hornet. One was a head shot the other was a heart shot. The heart shot deer didnt run more than 30 yards. Thats a bit more powerful though. A shot between the eyes with a 22lr or mag will do them in.

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#2373074 - Tue Sep 27 2011 10:38 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: ESUHunter]
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In most cases hunting with any available rim fire is all but stupid. There is I've found a few deer over the years shot with way more people didn't find do to "iffy" shots.

One was a couple years ago on the second day that I put a tag on. It was still steaming when I found it. I hated to "waste" my tag, but I couldn't in good faith let it lay. It had a small caliber wound that wasn't instant death. Not sure a larger caliber would of helped, but I'm fairly certain it wouldn't have hurt. I should note to the internet police that there was only one area to park, and when I got there they were all leaving. One of them said thay had shot at a deer, but was almost certain he missed.

Most of my family is from Vermont. Most of them carry a 22 handgun in deer season. Even a GASP! auto. They are not used to hunt deer. They are used for dispatch only.

I know I have got to mortally wounded deer that needed dispatched. I used my rifle. Some have used knives, but I can't do it.
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#2373090 - Tue Sep 27 2011 10:46 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: hunt/fish365]
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I often wonder why topics like this emerge every year about the same time?

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#2373215 - Wed Sep 28 2011 05:08 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: burk313]
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Neither were PUSHED. Once we saw the corn and intestines from the first one, we backed out and and came in after lunch(he shot it around 8am). I appeared as though it had never bedded down to begin with and just wandered aimlessly. We would have waited longer, but the snow was melting, and we knew we needed it to track it. The second one, he watched bed down and die after he heit it. And yes, he's a horrible shot offhand, but where he stands there are no trees to use for a rest, and he rufuses to carry a shooting stick.
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#2373461 - Wed Sep 28 2011 09:38 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Borden811]
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A 22mag will definatley kill a deer out to about 75 yards i recon, especially if you shoot for high neck or the head. Not that im bragging or anything, but i was told my dad put many a deer on the table for us to eat with his 22mag when we were kids.

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#2373506 - Wed Sep 28 2011 09:55 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: burk313]
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 Originally Posted By: burk313
If you PUSH any wounded deer it can go for miles including gut shot deer..If you know you hit the deer in the guts you wait a couple hours and it will die in a shorter distance..


Nope.I've helped recover well over a couple dozen gut shot deer that were left overnight and about 50% of them were alive the next morning after 14 hours.A couple hours usually doesn't cut it.Borden and I have a mutaul friend that shot a big 8 point accross from my house.He knew he hit it too far back and backed out immediately.We went in the next day to recover it and it was down within 60 yards from where he last saw it but still alive.

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#2373609 - Wed Sep 28 2011 10:55 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Woodywoodduck]
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 Originally Posted By: Woodywoodduck
 Originally Posted By: diablo666
Most people are assuming that Maine hunters carry a 22 mag.I doubt that is the case.It's probably an old regulation that was never updated.How would you feel in almost deerless woods with a 22 mag when a Moose walked by you?Pretty stupid I would think.They probably carry an 06.


that .22 Mag would kill that Moose also!

You and others busting on Maine Guys being able to use a .22 Mag to kill deer...

Have any of you Ever helped Butcher Pigs and Cattle?
All that is used is a .22lr to kill them, 1 shot and they are not getting back up!

A Deer and Even a Moose would be the exact Same Way with the Correct Shot!






That reminds me of a story by the well known sixgunner Hal Swigget. He was hunting Moose in Canada with a Cree Indian for a guide. The Indian carried a .22 single shot. While they were in the canoe they saw a cow moose swimming across the lake and the Indian wanted it so they rowed the canoe right up alongside it. The Indian shot it in the head at near point blank range and the moose kept right on swimming like nothing had happened. At that point Swiggett told the Indian to shoot it again. The Cree replied "can't, only had one bullet". They never did recover that moose.
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#2373664 - Wed Sep 28 2011 11:24 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Woodywoodduck]
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Bullet selection with any caliber is very important.

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#2373673 - Wed Sep 28 2011 11:30 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: *Moose]
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 Originally Posted By: *Moose
 Originally Posted By: Woodywoodduck
 Originally Posted By: diablo666
Most people are assuming that Maine hunters carry a 22 mag.I doubt that is the case.It's probably an old regulation that was never updated.How would you feel in almost deerless woods with a 22 mag when a Moose walked by you?Pretty stupid I would think.They probably carry an 06.


that .22 Mag would kill that Moose also!

You and others busting on Maine Guys being able to use a .22 Mag to kill deer...

Have any of you Ever helped Butcher Pigs and Cattle?
All that is used is a .22lr to kill them, 1 shot and they are not getting back up!

A Deer and Even a Moose would be the exact Same Way with the Correct Shot!






That reminds me of a story by the well known sixgunner Hal Swigget. He was hunting Moose in Canada with a Cree Indian for a guide. The Indian carried a .22 single shot. While they were in the canoe they saw a cow moose swimming across the lake and the Indian wanted it so they rowed the canoe right up alongside it. The Indian shot it in the head at near point blank range and the moose kept right on swimming like nothing had happened. At that point Swiggett told the Indian to shoot it again. The Cree replied "can't, only had one bullet". They never did recover that moose.

And I would bet that Indian did not hit the + just shy of between the eyes and straight back in...hit tem straight on just a tad below the eyes in that + and they will hit the ground and Not get up and you do not have to be point blank range...even shooting pigs and cattle, you do not shoot point blank, you stand back and aim for that + and squeeze the trigger and down they go!

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#2373674 - Wed Sep 28 2011 11:32 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rancher00]
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Possible sure....would I do it? No.
exactly....n

now lets listen to all the guys who try and say its fine....
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#2373681 - Wed Sep 28 2011 11:35 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Born2Hunt]
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 Originally Posted By: Born2Hunt
Bullet selection with any caliber is very important.


That is something many are never taught!

I have seen many on this site complain about others shooting and how bad they are at shot placement but when you mention to them to teach that person shot placement they reply with "It isn't my Job to teach them that!"

2 of us have found that taking a poster sized Archery Deer Target and using it to teach young kids just starting out and also seasoned hunters that loose deer regularly, on Where to place their shots, the kids end up doing exactly that and the seasoned hunters stand and scratch their heads and say "I now understand why I been loosing deer"


If everyone who understands shot placement with different calibers would teach others, many wild game animals would not end up lost to rot in the woods!

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#2373702 - Wed Sep 28 2011 11:46 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Woodywoodduck]
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If I ever run into an angry moose again (been there, done that) I pray I have something more useful in my hands than a .22 mag.
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#2373772 - Wed Sep 28 2011 12:33 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: *Moose]
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what would be the difference between a bow and .22mag kill, other than one is legal and one is not?
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#2373818 - Wed Sep 28 2011 01:03 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: treedaddy]
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what would be the difference between a bow and .22mag kill, other than one is legal and one is not?


The arrow is much heavier and has a cutting edge. It will penetrate the deer and cause massive hemmorhage.

The 22 bullet will blow up in the first inch or so.
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#2373820 - Wed Sep 28 2011 01:04 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: treedaddy]
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 Originally Posted By: treedaddy
what would be the difference between a bow and .22mag kill, other than one is legal and one is not?


Apples to oranges! Archery tackle generally causes death by hemorrhage/asphyxiation whereas bullets generally cause death by shock. Example: broadhead slices through lungs causing blood loss and possible drowning which results in lack of oxygen to the brain; bullets cause blood loss as well, but shock to the central nervous system is the real killer here in most cases.

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#2373914 - Wed Sep 28 2011 02:04 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: treedaddy]
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 Originally Posted By: treedaddy
what would be the difference between a bow and .22mag kill, other than one is legal and one is not?
that is a terrible comparison
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#2373950 - Wed Sep 28 2011 02:29 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: ESU.archer]
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If this rimfire was legalized in Pa.their would be so many wounded and never recovered deer than you could imagine.Alot of shots we all know would be made in haste and have poor placement.A well versed and trained individual could be very succesful with this round with patience and discipline.But I can,t believe that someone would have to go out with this as their only choice.They would have to know someone that would let them borrow a better choice of a firearm.Heck,it sounds like Maine might even let their front stuffers use a .32 cal.Ha Ha.


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#2373971 - Wed Sep 28 2011 02:40 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: treedaddy]
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 Originally Posted By: treedaddy
what would be the difference between a bow and .22mag kill, other than one is legal and one is not?


One shoots a bullet, while the other one shoots arrows....usually with broadheads on 'em if your hunting.

That's the most obvious difference.

Have you ever seen a 22 cartridge or a bow and arrow? I'm thinking if you have, you may not have ask this question.

But still....I wonder why these questions get ask about this time every year???

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#2374161 - Wed Sep 28 2011 04:27 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Sethwood]
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 Originally Posted By: Sethwood
 Originally Posted By: treedaddy
what would be the difference between a bow and .22mag kill, other than one is legal and one is not?


One shoots a bullet, while the other one shoots arrows....usually with broadheads on 'em if your hunting.

That's the most obvious difference.

Have you ever seen a 22 cartridge or a bow and arrow? I'm thinking if you have, you may not have ask this question.

But still....I wonder why these questions get ask about this time every year???
Have you ever shot a milk jug filled with water at about 20yards with a .22mag ?
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#2374202 - Wed Sep 28 2011 04:46 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: cspot]
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i personally have dropped a deer with 22wmr, and it was lights out. not trying to open a can of worms, but those straps and hams were delicious... Did someone say shot placement is key? with the WMR, bullet selection is also important. Can't do it in PA though...might have to head up to main to take MiniThumper for a walk LOL
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#2374249 - Wed Sep 28 2011 05:13 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: jayd4wg]
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Just for fun, for those who say the bow vs .22 mag debate.
Take a 5 gallon bucket of sand and shoot it with a .30-06 then shoot an arrow at a bucket of sand. Let me know what happens. It will change your mind about the "whats the difference between a bow and a .22 mag" debate.
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#2374451 - Wed Sep 28 2011 07:27 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: John-PA]
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 Originally Posted By: John-PA
Just for fun, for those who say the bow vs .22 mag debate.
Take a 5 gallon bucket of sand and shoot it with a .30-06 then shoot an arrow at a bucket of sand. Let me know what happens. It will change your mind about the "whats the difference between a bow and a .22 mag" debate.


Why would you shoot it with a .30-06 if the comparison is between a bow and .22 mag?

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#2374455 - Wed Sep 28 2011 07:29 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rancher00]
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 Originally Posted By: rancher00
 Originally Posted By: John-PA
Just for fun, for those who say the bow vs .22 mag debate.
Take a 5 gallon bucket of sand and shoot it with a .30-06 then shoot an arrow at a bucket of sand. Let me know what happens. It will change your mind about the "whats the difference between a bow and a .22 mag" debate.


Why would you shoot it with a .30-06 if the comparison is between a bow and .22 mag?


I know from the debates on the firearms forum that a mag is far better than any standard caliber anyway.
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#2374495 - Wed Sep 28 2011 07:51 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rancher00]
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I didn't read the whole thread and I wouldn't consider shooting a deer with a 22 mag. unless it was a survival situation and had no choice. If I was to do it I am pretty sure I would want it under 50 yards and I would shoot it right under the ear. I know that it has been said that poachers use this round but don't know where they hit em at.

I know the ground hogs that I shoot with the 22 mag. never even twitch when I hit em in the head under 50 yards or so. It's a pretty good cartridge in my opinion but it is a little expensive compared to a regular 22.
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#2374534 - Wed Sep 28 2011 08:08 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rancher00]
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 Originally Posted By: rancher00
 Originally Posted By: John-PA
Just for fun, for those who say the bow vs .22 mag debate.
Take a 5 gallon bucket of sand and shoot it with a .30-06 then shoot an arrow at a bucket of sand. Let me know what happens. It will change your mind about the "whats the difference between a bow and a .22 mag" debate.


Why would you shoot it with a .30-06 if the comparison is between a bow and .22 mag?
i was wondering the same thing
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#2374544 - Wed Sep 28 2011 08:12 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rancher00]
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 Originally Posted By: rancher00
 Originally Posted By: John-PA
Just for fun, for those who say the bow vs .22 mag debate.
Take a 5 gallon bucket of sand and shoot it with a .30-06 then shoot an arrow at a bucket of sand. Let me know what happens. It will change your mind about the "whats the difference between a bow and a .22 mag" debate.


Why would you shoot it with a .30-06 if the comparison is between a bow and .22 mag?


To heck with deer, Saturday I'm setting up on the inside curve of a creek and shooting the first bucket of sand that comes by!

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#2374567 - Wed Sep 28 2011 08:21 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Roscoe62]
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 Originally Posted By: Roscoe62
 Originally Posted By: rancher00
 Originally Posted By: John-PA
Just for fun, for those who say the bow vs .22 mag debate.
Take a 5 gallon bucket of sand and shoot it with a .30-06 then shoot an arrow at a bucket of sand. Let me know what happens. It will change your mind about the "whats the difference between a bow and a .22 mag" debate.


Why would you shoot it with a .30-06 if the comparison is between a bow and .22 mag?


To heck with deer, Saturday I'm setting up on the inside curve of a creek and shooting the first bucket of sand that comes by!



Come behind my house. I have a blind set up and a huge flock of sand buckets came by just the other morning!!!

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#2374578 - Wed Sep 28 2011 08:26 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: smage1]
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 Originally Posted By: smage1
Many deer have been taken using a 22MAG 1 shot with one hole between the eyes and one in a lower front leg.
Deer raises leg in an attempt to keep the bright light out of it's eyes LOL! LOL! LOL!
Smage


Good Job
The Anti's wouldn't find this very funny.
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#2374588 - Wed Sep 28 2011 08:31 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rancher00]
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Then do it with a .22 mag whatever makes you happy bud.
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#2374632 - Wed Sep 28 2011 08:48 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: John-PA]
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Any of you guys ever take a hunters safety course? At the one I took they did a demonstration to show what a bow can do.

First they shot a 5 gallon bucket of sand with a .30-06, the bullet expanded in the bucket and didn't exit.

Then they shot another bucket of sand with a 60 pound draw compound, and the arrow completely passed through the bucket and continued down range.

Anyone who compares a .22 mag with a bow for killing deer is sadly mistaken.
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#2374633 - Wed Sep 28 2011 08:48 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: John-PA]
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thats a pretty darn cool demonstration john....very powerful result as well
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#2374640 - Wed Sep 28 2011 08:51 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: John-PA]
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 Originally Posted By: John-PA
Then do it with a .22 mag whatever makes you happy bud.


I was just curious bud.

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#2374870 - Wed Sep 28 2011 10:35 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rancher00]
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#2375035 - Thu Sep 29 2011 03:04 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: rflktrman]
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 Originally Posted By: rflktrman
I just returned from a week in Maine and was shocked while reading their hunting regulations. They permit use of .22 mag. for deer.


PA isn't Maine.
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#2375112 - Thu Sep 29 2011 07:57 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Swift]
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We all know a well placed shot with a .22 mag will probably kill a deer. We all also know that things can easily go wrong if you take a crack at a deer with a 40 grain slug shot from a rimfire rifle...so why take a chance?

It's also known that this is the preferred caliber of choice for those who spotlight deer & shoot out a car window...just sayin...

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#2375384 - Thu Sep 29 2011 11:29 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Uncle Nicky]
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I never do understand the mentality that seems to relish the idea of seeing just how small a projectile they can kill a deer with. It must be some sort of a perversion.
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#2375420 - Thu Sep 29 2011 11:56 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Potter Co. Joe]
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 Originally Posted By: Susqyjoe
 Originally Posted By: smage1
Many deer have been taken using a 22MAG 1 shot with one hole between the eyes and one in a lower front leg.
Deer raises leg in an attempt to keep the bright light out of it's eyes LOL! LOL! LOL!
Smage


Good Job
The Anti's wouldn't find this very funny.


Who cares what they think is funny? They don't care what you think and you aren't going to win them over with any jokes.
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#2375612 - Thu Sep 29 2011 02:31 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: HighCountry66]
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My "doe" (aka anterless) caliber of choice is my Marlin 45-70, shooting a 405gr. flat nose lead Cast Performance bullet loaded over (I forget right now) grains of RL-7.

It's not a "thumper" load and the bullet will not expand much. But, I've never had one run past 40 yards and usually they drop like a sack of rocks right there. Big plus: No blood trail to follow!!! Also....no major meat damage if you just wait for that sideways lung shot!!!

What a gun to hunt with!!!

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#2375642 - Thu Sep 29 2011 03:01 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: *Moose]
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 Originally Posted By: *Moose
I never do understand the mentality that seems to relish the idea of seeing just how small a projectile they can kill a deer with. It must be some sort of a perversion.


Tell that to the folks over at the nuclear physics lab in berkely. propelling a single proton at the speed of light in a vaccuum and colliding it with a "piece of matter" just for fun...a Rail Gun or Particle Accelerator for the battlefield is JUST that. tiny projectiles, at incredible speeds and finding that they are simply ULTRA lethal. the hydraulic shock delivered is just incredible and instantly debilitating. Okay...so a 22mag is "only" cooking along at 2000 to 2200 fps...definitely NOT light speed, but it's definitely powerful.
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#2375721 - Thu Sep 29 2011 03:57 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: John-PA]
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 Originally Posted By: John-PA
Any of you guys ever take a hunters safety course? At the one I took they did a demonstration to show what a bow can do.

First they shot a 5 gallon bucket of sand with a .30-06, the bullet expanded in the bucket and didn't exit.

Then they shot another bucket of sand with a 60 pound draw compound, and the arrow completely passed through the bucket and continued down range.

Anyone who compares a .22 mag with a bow for killing deer is sadly mistaken.
So your are saying that the bow and arrow has much more penetration than the 06 which I agree. Does the arrow usually go thru the deer I am not a bow hunter and don't know?#2 Lets replace the 5 gal. bucket of sand with a 8" cement block, I can guess what the '06 will do to the block, what will the arrow do to the cement block??
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#2375755 - Thu Sep 29 2011 04:16 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: treedaddy]
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The difference is in the transfer of energy. The bullet is made to transfer the vast majority of its energy and the arrow is not. Someone earlier also talked about hunting with a 222 like it is the same as a 22mag. The bullet may be the same size (though probably not) but at 30% greater velocity the 222 is a much more lethal load.

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#2376562 - Fri Sep 30 2011 09:22 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: treedaddy]
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 Originally Posted By: treedaddy
So your are saying that the bow and arrow has much more penetration than the 06 which I agree. Does the arrow usually go thru the deer I am not a bow hunter and don't know?


Yes, usually. Not always though. I would guess that pass-thrus are far more common than not...I've killed 20+ deer with a bow and I can only recall 4 that didn't pass through: one was into the ham on a tight quartering away shot, arrow went into the ham up through the guts and into the chest....completely inside the deer; one was thru both front leg bones, it went thru, but hung up on the fletchings on the off side; one was a shot that the string hit my arm and the arrow hit far to the left and into the ham; and the last one was the arrow deflected on some brush and hit a little skewed...that saps energy and the arrow went in high and stopped when it hit the off side ribs.

All deer were recovered as well. All the others were pass-thrus. I can tell you about each one of those as well if you want....though they were mostly does and mostly textbook shots. Tight behind the shoulder, 1/3 of the way up from the bottom of the chest, broadside.


 Originally Posted By: treedaddy
#2 Lets replace the 5 gal. bucket of sand with a 8" cement block, I can guess what the '06 will do to the block, what will the arrow do to the cement block??


The arrow will likely bounce off and leave little more damage than a little mark on the block. The insert will likely push into the shaft, the tip will be destroyed. The arrow may actually bend(aluminum) or blow up(carbon) as well. I speak from personal experience on this one! Never shot a block with a rifle though.

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#2376695 - Fri Sep 30 2011 11:09 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: hunt/fish365]
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My neighbor was involved in a culling operation down in phillthydelphia years back and he took out 12 deer with his 22mag,he went up in a climber all were headshots drop them in their tracks
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#2376715 - Fri Sep 30 2011 11:23 AM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: JasonN]
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thanks!!!
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#2376871 - Fri Sep 30 2011 01:22 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: treedaddy]
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very possible....but why would you even consider it? with all the great deer calibers available i dont understand how this even becomes an option. Use a good caliber, that you are comfortable with. Place a good shot and put em down as fast as you can.
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#2376902 - Fri Sep 30 2011 01:38 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: BUBBABUCK]
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Right. There will always be some meatheadhunter who will push beyond the rational use of the caliber and or talent.

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#2376909 - Fri Sep 30 2011 01:43 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Roscoe62]
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+1 Roscoe
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#2376936 - Fri Sep 30 2011 02:05 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: BUBBABUCK]
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Bubba and Roscoe TOTALLY AGREE!!
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#2376960 - Fri Sep 30 2011 02:30 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: BUBBABUCK]
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 Originally Posted By: BUBBABUCK
very possible....but why would you even consider it? with all the great deer calibers available i dont understand how this even becomes an option. Use a good caliber, that you are comfortable with. Place a good shot and put em down as fast as you can.
I have heard that said about bow hunting. For the record there are at least four different bow hunters on my farm for tomorrow .
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#2376964 - Fri Sep 30 2011 02:35 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: treedaddy]
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#2376989 - Fri Sep 30 2011 03:07 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: 10der222]
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Just because you can,doesn't mean you should......


Another true statement. Of course, you CAN hang onto an overhanging tree limb....wait for a deer to walk under you, fall from said limb with a knife in your hand.....land on deer while simultaneously cutting said deer's main artery leading to said deers brain.

Deer will expire very quickly. JUST DON'T BE OFF A LITTLE.

Another fine example of "You can.....but why."

SW

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#2377055 - Fri Sep 30 2011 04:10 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: Sethwood]
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 Originally Posted By: Sethwood
 Originally Posted By: 10der222
Just because you can,doesn't mean you should......


Another true statement. Of course, you CAN hang onto an overhanging tree limb....wait for a deer to walk under you, fall from said limb with a knife in your hand.....land on deer while simultaneously cutting said deer's main artery leading to said deers brain.

Deer will expire very quickly. JUST DON'T BE OFF A LITTLE.

Another fine example of "You can.....but why."

SW
Want to know whats sad i actually know of someone that did this but he didn't hang from a branch he jumped out of his tree stand.My neighbor used his 22mag for safty reasons on the cull he was in town..but he has the skills being an ex army ranger sniper and i think he said he only took shorter shots as in no farther than 50yds
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#2377321 - Fri Sep 30 2011 07:51 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: skookhunter17954]
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Yeah Boy,
I know of a guy that used an Old Camo Painted Chevy Suburban to take a couple for the pot. Couldn't shoot worth a darn but he was a driving fool!!
Can't turn him since he has been Tango Uniform for two years.
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#2378161 - Sat Oct 01 2011 02:17 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: treedaddy]
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 Originally Posted By: treedaddy
 Originally Posted By: BUBBABUCK
very possible....but why would you even consider it? with all the great deer calibers available i dont understand how this even becomes an option. Use a good caliber, that you are comfortable with. Place a good shot and put em down as fast as you can.
I have heard that said about bow hunting. For the record there are at least four different bow hunters on my farm for tomorrow .



i understand where you're coming from. However, i believe the two are apples and oranges. The question at hand was the use of a 22 mag for deer. In my opinion, the leeway with marginal hits(even magnums and bigger calibers) should be kept as restricted as possible. That being said, i've seen deer die quickly, as well as live for many hours after being hit with a less than perfect shot. Yes, I have wounded a 3 with my rifle, a 7mm mag that were marginal, one i never recovered. No worse feeling in the world than that. My point is this, the room for error with a large centerfire is pretty limited, thus, the room for error with a 22 mag is even smaller. As i've said before, with the number of adequate deer cartridges available, the choice to use such a small caliber is not only a poor one, but an irresponsible one. thats just my two sense.


Edited by BUBBABUCK (Sat Oct 01 2011 02:24 PM)
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#2378226 - Sat Oct 01 2011 03:20 PM Re: .22 mag for deer [Re: BUBBABUCK]
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