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#1857218 - Tue Aug 24 2010 09:52 AM ? on non posted land
spunky Offline
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Registered: Sun Jul 11 2004
Posts: 750
Loc: sharon
Be easy on me please. I was visiting another site and some one from Pa put up a post about how in Pa you can hunt any land that isn't posted. If you do post it, it has to have the owners name and signs have to be so far apart for the signs and so on other wise anyone can hunt it.

Before I get into a peeing match with him and set the post right I need to know if this is true or not. It was always my believe that even if there are no signs stating no trespassing a hunter doesn't have the right just to walk onto someones property and hunt.

I always hunt public land so it doesn't matter to me but maybe I could set this guy straight if he is wrong and prevent some one from getting into trouble. Thanks

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#1857236 - Tue Aug 24 2010 10:03 AM Re: ? on non posted land [Re: spunky]
beck_trt Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 14 2007
Posts: 1781
Loc: Washington County, PA
Your question is going to get a lot of good answers, so I will keep it brief.

No!!! You can not go on someone's land without permission. Doesn't matter if it is posted or not.
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#1857237 - Tue Aug 24 2010 10:03 AM Re: ? on non posted land [Re: spunky]
JasonN Offline
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Registered: Wed Sep 24 2003
Posts: 10389
Loc: Warren, Pa
You are correct....he is wrong.

Now, having said that, there are some landowners that will look at you like you're from outer space if you ask to hunt their property that isn't posted....these are almost always old school farmers/timber guys though. Just my experience growing up in a small town.

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#1857245 - Tue Aug 24 2010 10:08 AM Re: ? on non posted land [Re: spunky]
John S Offline
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Registered: Tue Jul 25 2000
Posts: 38864
Loc: Lancaster,PA,Lancaster
He is wrong. Rather than get into a skunk match with him, just ask him to cite the law that says you can trespass on on posted property, make him prove what he says.
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#1857259 - Tue Aug 24 2010 10:13 AM Re: ? on non posted land [Re: John S]
David Rearick Offline
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Registered: Thu May 25 2006
Posts: 827
Loc: Butler, Pa
The problem is where is the enforcement of these laws? John S, have you ever cited anyone or had them arrested for trespassing in your years as an officer?

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#1857268 - Tue Aug 24 2010 10:18 AM Re: ? on non posted land [Re: David Rearick]
John S Offline
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Registered: Tue Jul 25 2000
Posts: 38864
Loc: Lancaster,PA,Lancaster
WCOs can only arrest for trespass if the trespasser was violating the game and wildlife code while trespassing, there must be a game law violation first.
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#1857273 - Tue Aug 24 2010 10:21 AM Re: ? on non posted land [Re: John S]
David Rearick Offline
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Registered: Thu May 25 2006
Posts: 827
Loc: Butler, Pa
I know the game commission does there best John, but the police do not enforce the law correctly. Go to Texas, Montana, or anywhere out west and see what happens when someone crosses a boundary line and hunts. It is called trespassing with a deadly weapon in many states.

That is why people say you you can hunt not posted land like North Dakota. There is no enforcement and when someone legally tries to post their land and prosecute, there are loopholes that allow the offender to get out of the charges.


Edited by David Rearick (Tue Aug 24 2010 10:23 AM)

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#1857282 - Tue Aug 24 2010 10:29 AM Re: ? on non posted land [Re: spunky]
Zimmer50cal Offline
Carpal \'Tunnel

Registered: Tue Dec 09 2008
Posts: 3744
Loc: PA
Spunky,

The law seems pretty clear to me. I believe the other posters are incorrect, and in fact, your friend is correct.

The breakdown of states that require posting to exclude
hunters/fishermen/outdoorsmen is as follows:
Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana,
Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New
Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North
Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Utah, Vermont,
Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin
I have been told that a trespass violation cannot be enforced in
Pennsylvania, unless a land owner has placed NO TRESPASSING signs at
intervals not to exceed 50
feet around the entire property. The signs must be signed, dated, and
replaced annually. Signs must be placed on their own standard, not on
trees or posts.


Read in its entirety here: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/Archive/Misc/misc.legal/2006-12/msg00181.pdf
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#1857293 - Tue Aug 24 2010 10:35 AM Re: ? on non posted land [Re: Zimmer50cal]
David Rearick Offline
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Registered: Thu May 25 2006
Posts: 827
Loc: Butler, Pa
There is alot of gray in your article. He led into some of his statements with "I Heard" which draws me to believe he really doesn't know.

Trespassing in PA and the laws are a joke when it comes to enforcement. Until there is a firm line drawn in the sand like other states, it will always be a complete mess. It should not be the requirement of the landowner to post his property if he want to keep people off land he maintains, pays taxes, and etc.

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#1857294 - Tue Aug 24 2010 10:36 AM Re: ? on non posted land [Re: Zimmer50cal]
Dale Sholder Offline
Carpal \'Tunnel

Registered: Sat Nov 24 2001
Posts: 4333
Loc: Williamsport , PA. 17701
This has been hashed over on here numerous times. You CAN NOT hunt on private property posted or not posted without permission period.
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