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#1794700 - Tue Jun 29 2010 07:08 PM 6.5 BRM
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I see that Eabco has a barrel I can get for my TC in 6.5 BRM. Has anyone shot this round? They claim it is real light recoil, but the equivalant of a 190 gr. .308 in terms of energy and flatness. I have herd good things about the 6.5mm chamberings, but this is the only place I have seen anything for the 6.5 BRM. They sell dies, brass, as wellas loaded ammo. Any input would be appriciated!

Bob
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#1794766 - Tue Jun 29 2010 07:52 PM Re: 6.5 BRM [Re: tcprohunter]
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The 6.5 BRM is a basically a 219 donaldson wasp necked up to 6.5.. Which could also be foremed using 30-30 brass. You would be driving the 140 grain bullets around 2400-2500 or so.. Now since the encores and tenders seem to favor rimmed cartridges this would be a outstanding round for them.. That is fine if you want to full around with wildcats like i do. However the straight 260 would be a nice choice as well.. Its alot faster, easier to form, not to mention alot cheaper as well..

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#1794799 - Tue Jun 29 2010 08:14 PM Re: 6.5 BRM [Re: 6.5 Bandit]
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I like the Encore and single shot rifles. The 6.5 BRM is basically(as said above) a necked down 30-30 case. IMO a rimmed cartridge is the perfect case for single shot break action rifles. Allowing you to headspace off the rim, and not the shoulder, so the gap between the barrel and frame face is rendered inconsequential. And by doing this you can do away with the "Encore misfire" problem.

The 30-30 case is actually a pretty efficient case. And is probably perfectly balanced in the 6.5 caliber. I can see a 6.5BRM barrel in my future. Either a 6.5 BRM or a 30-40 Krag for my Encore.

There are alot of great choices for the 6.5 caliber rifle. But for an Encore barrel the 6.5 BRM is probably the best 6.5 choice. Tom.


Edited by HOGGHEAD (Tue Jun 29 2010 08:16 PM)

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#1795377 - Wed Jun 30 2010 09:30 AM Re: 6.5 BRM [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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"equivalant of a 190 gr. .308 in terms of energy" clearly a misrepresentation. it cheats by not saying the fps of a 190 308!

This is a wildcat, so you will 'play' with it. I like the30-30 based cases, including the 219 zipper. cases are usually free at the range the week before Pa deer season.

Not sure if you have a pistol or rifle?

A more common standard 30-30 based cartridge is the 7\30-30 also named the 7mm Waters (factory). I shoot one in a T/c contender and it is a nice deer cartridge, but with the short pistol barrel (12") it doesn't reach its potential as would the 6.5/30-30. In fact the 6.5 30-30 aka 6.5 BRM is even more over bore in the smaller barrels.

For pistol cartridges based upon the 30-30 case I prefer for deer:--30 herrett, 7-30 Waters, 375 winchester, and the 358 Herrett.

Making my Herret cases is a long process to get 100 cases. The 7-30 Waters and the 375 I can buy 100 brass at most gun shows, cheap. More time to shoot.

If you have a rifle (encore) I'd just go to the 260 remington. That is my personal go-to rifle on my rack for deer in PA.

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#1795526 - Wed Jun 30 2010 12:03 PM Re: 6.5 BRM [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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 Originally Posted By: HOGGHEAD
I like the Encore and single shot rifles. IMO a rimmed cartridge is the perfect case for single shot break action rifles. Allowing you to headspace off the rim, and not the shoulder, so the gap between the barrel and frame face is rendered inconsequential.


Hogg, you and I have discussed this before. But even with a rimmed case, after firing in an Encore, in which the case isn't actually locked in place by anything, since there is a gap behind the case, wouldn't the case expand backward, and the shoulder out to the chamber?

After I shoot a 30-06 in my Encore, the case is all the way back against the frame wall, and the shoulder all the way against the chamber.

Don't see how a rimed cartridge would help any?

I do get the piece about Misfires, although I have never had one with my Encore.
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#1796047 - Wed Jun 30 2010 08:24 PM Re: 6.5 BRM [Re: John Henry]
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What about a .264 win mag? I like throwing pills downrange that produce the "red mist" Of course, this is for woodchuckin. I enjoy eating my deer. I came across the 6.5mm rounds and they seem to be what I am lookin for. Light recoil, and explosive down range. I do not want a .22 caliber anything other than my ruger 10/22. I dont like to factor wind. Never been good at it. Is the 6.5 a good round for windy days? I load my .243 with 55 grainers, and it seems to do well, but I have noticed the wind effecting it as close as 100 yards. It wasn't that windy. Thanks in advance.
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#1796065 - Wed Jun 30 2010 08:40 PM Re: 6.5 BRM [Re: tcprohunter]
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got 2 questions for you... How fast do you want to go.. And how much mist do you want to create?? LOL... Seriously the 6.5 will buck the wind with the best of them.. If i was going to go straight for a fast 6.5 for hogs only I would get either a 6.5wsm or 6.5x284 and drive the 95gr vmax as fast as i possibly could... I can tell you this.. I currently own 3 different 6.5's.. 6.5x284, 6.5k(6.5x300rsuam improved), and 2 6.5x300 weatherbys ackley improved.. If your looking to go fast with the big 140-142 grain bullets the weatherby will do it.. I can drive them 3600fps in my weatherbys bbl life is short at around 1200-1400rounds. But talk about a devistating ghog gun lolol.. I have litterly blew them out of thier holes at 1000+ yds and made them do flips with it..

Keep in mind all my bbls have a 8 twist for the heavys.. I have found that the 95gr vmax will only stay stable to 3550 in a 8 twist after that they will blow up about 20 feet out the bbl.. My 6.5k will drive the 140's to around 3300 and the 6.5x284 to about 3000...

Now i assume this would be on a Encore or the likes I would seriously look at the 6.5x284 and run 9 twist and drive the snot out the 95gr vmax you would get around 3400-3500fps with them and a 9 twist would stablize them much better... Just my 2cents..

as a side note i would get it in a long 30" bbl.. 28 at the shortest..


Edited by 6.5 Bandit (Wed Jun 30 2010 08:43 PM)

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#1796082 - Wed Jun 30 2010 09:03 PM Re: 6.5 BRM [Re: John Henry]
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 Originally Posted By: John Henry
 Originally Posted By: HOGGHEAD


Hogg, you and I have discussed this before. But even with a rimmed case, after firing in an Encore, in which the case isn't actually locked in place by anything, since there is a gap behind the case, wouldn't the case expand backward, and the shoulder out to the chamber?



Yes you are correct. The case will lengthen because of the gap. But you are not looking at it from the case anymore because the case is not headspacing on the shoulder-it is head spacing on the rim.

So I never just neck size cases for my Encores. I always bump the shoulder back as well. This allows the case to sit in the chamber with no problem. Then the case can not be driven in any further(by the firing pin) because the rim stops the case from seating farther into the chamber. And since the rim stops the case from going into the chamber you get a 100% reliable, and consistent primer strike-hence no misfires because of improper sizing. Tom.

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#1796562 - Thu Jul 01 2010 10:09 AM Re: 6.5 BRM [Re: HOGGHEAD]
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Tcp. I shoot 87 gr in my 243 for this reason; they kill groundhogs just as good but are not as wind prone.

My 260 uses 100 grain bullets (handloads)for varmints (badgers/'otes). It is a Kimber and light for PD shooting.

Using 85-87 grain bullets mades the 243 a good long range varmint gun, my longest on hog is 530 yds. I've shot to 1000+ with the 243 on PDs, not got one over 1000 ......yet. But the 243 is the one I use in ND and SD for long range PDs.

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#1796691 - Thu Jul 01 2010 12:23 PM Re: 6.5 BRM [Re: Harrysigafoo]
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With all this 6.5 talk here lately one would almost think it's a popular caliber. Almost.
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