Click here HuntingPA.com
Outdoor Community

Habitat Forum

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#1679097 - Tue Mar 16 2010 11:29 PM imperial clover frost seed or start over??
JB#24 Offline
old hand

Registered: Tue Feb 26 2008
Posts: 726
Loc: pa
I have a nice plot going around 1.2 acres. the farmer that farms our farm will have his disks in to plant soybean this year? my question is have him disk up my plot or just frost seed. my plot is about 4 years old and does ok. i sprayed and frost seeded before, but i know i am almost ready to start fresh. it would be nice with the big machinery to help out in breaking up the ground instead of a little disk pulled by my quad. also not sure if it would be kind of late when he can get his equipment of the ground to plant his soybean?? start fresh or frost seed. weads are somewhat managed good ph on soil also?? heading to disney tomorrow so will not be able to reply until sunday>> oh ya teh frost seeding would be nicer on my time that i have right now with the little ones and family but is it worth it? thanks


Edited by JB#24 (Tue Mar 16 2010 11:32 PM)

Top
#1679562 - Wed Mar 17 2010 11:00 AM Re: imperial clover frost seed or start over?? [Re: JB#24]
Guest Offline
Stopped counting

Registered: Sun Mar 18 2001
Posts: 27829
Loc: Lancaster County
It's tough to tell you what to do. If it's not very weedy and grasses are under control, then maybe frost seeding is the way to go.

I'm assuming any discing would be done in June, which is a tough time to seed clover. Buddy of mine seeded clover in June with buckwheat as the nurse crop and it did VERY well because the BW shaded the clover during the drought conditions that followed.

Give it a frost seeding and see how it pans out.
_________________________


"It only takes one person to care in order to get something changed." Bryan S.

Top
#1679617 - Wed Mar 17 2010 11:37 AM Re: imperial clover frost seed or start over?? [Re: Guest]
jayjaysin Offline
veteran

Registered: Tue Aug 12 2003
Posts: 1537
Loc: Elizabeth, PA (2B)
So, I was going to post something similar today, is now the time to frost seed? Particularly, what are the best conditions/forecast for frost seeding? With daytime highs around 60 and lows in the upper 20's, is that the right condition?
_________________________
That which does not kill me, only makes me stronger.

Top
#1679633 - Wed Mar 17 2010 11:48 AM Re: imperial clover frost seed or start over?? [Re: jayjaysin]
Guest Offline
Stopped counting

Registered: Sun Mar 18 2001
Posts: 27829
Loc: Lancaster County
It could be done now. Again, I have spread clover seed into thatch in mid May, with no soil disturbance, with good results.
_________________________


"It only takes one person to care in order to get something changed." Bryan S.

Top
#1679979 - Wed Mar 17 2010 04:24 PM Re: imperial clover frost seed or start over?? [Re: Guest]
HomeintheWoods Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: Sat Apr 02 2005
Posts: 2177
Loc: Northern PA
It would seem to me that frost seeding into an established stand is a waste of money. I would only frost seed if the stand was spotty due to drought or excessive weed infestation that was aggressively managed in the fall, leaving gaps.
_________________________
I miss my hunting partner

Top
#1680208 - Wed Mar 17 2010 07:19 PM Re: imperial clover frost seed or start over?? [Re: HomeintheWoods]
Guest Offline
Stopped counting

Registered: Sun Mar 18 2001
Posts: 27829
Loc: Lancaster County
Not sure I agree with that. Some guys frost seed their plots every other year with a little seed and their plots stay pretty nice longer.
_________________________


"It only takes one person to care in order to get something changed." Bryan S.

Top
#1680316 - Wed Mar 17 2010 08:15 PM Re: imperial clover frost seed or start over?? [Re: Guest]
bake545 Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: Tue Dec 11 2001
Posts: 2096
Loc: Harrison City, Westmoreland
I wouldn't frost seed WI Imperial clover. It contains something like 30% berseem clover which is an annual and it will not grow when frost seeded. Stick with regular ladino, the deer won't care. Trust me. \:\)

Top
#1680781 - Thu Mar 18 2010 05:56 AM Re: imperial clover frost seed or start over?? [Re: bake545]
Guest Offline
Stopped counting

Registered: Sun Mar 18 2001
Posts: 27829
Loc: Lancaster County
I'd probablu stick with a generic Ladino, but why wouldn't the berseem work? You think it'll frost kill?
_________________________


"It only takes one person to care in order to get something changed." Bryan S.

Top
#1680790 - Thu Mar 18 2010 06:17 AM Re: imperial clover frost seed or start over?? [Re: Guest]
bake545 Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: Tue Dec 11 2001
Posts: 2096
Loc: Harrison City, Westmoreland
Yes, annual clovers don't take frost well. I read this a few years ago when I was researching frost seeding. No sense losing 30% of your seed of an already expensive brand.

Top
#1680813 - Thu Mar 18 2010 07:04 AM Re: imperial clover frost seed or start over?? [Re: bake545]
Guest Offline
Stopped counting

Registered: Sun Mar 18 2001
Posts: 27829
Loc: Lancaster County
Never cared much for the commercial blends because they do contain "filler" seeds, like berseem. However, those clovers are the faster starters and give the plot a jump and also help protect the perennial ladinos.

Another thing to note, last time I used Imperial, about 1/3 of the weight of the bag was the limestone seed coating. Very little of the seed is perennial seed.

I thought they do recommend it for frost seeding tho. You may be right about the berseem tho, I never heard that.
_________________________


"It only takes one person to care in order to get something changed." Bryan S.

Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >


Moderator:  Flintlock, Joe the Logger 
Google Ads
HuntingPA Sponsors
60X Custom Strings
ADT Security
Arrowhead
Boondock Outdoors
FoxPro
Growing Up With Guns
Hilltop Seeds
Hunting GPS Maps
Huntworth Gear
James Creek Outfitters
Knob Mountain Kennel
Lancaster Archery
Lowes Whitetail Scents
Martz Gap Hunting Preserve
Midwest Turkey Call Supply
Magees Optics
Mt. Hope Game Preserve
Night Eyes Predator Lights
No Limits Outdoors
On-Point Outfitters
Outdoorsman's Insight Magazine
Pheasants Forever
Premier Hunting Adventures
Randy Kuntz's Taxidermy
Realtree
Stony Gun & Archery
TrailCamPro
Two Bear Outfitters
Ultimate Camo
Who's Online
38 registered (bhairhoger, blitzinstripes, atr, Black Labs, bees_obrien, 8 invisible), 266 Guests and 13 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Google Ads
Newest Members
Rowan, wdhunts, Billy R, Mark102, Statriotic
33304 Registered Users
Recent Posts
The Fight Continues
by wyomingcounty
0 seconds ago
First deer of the year SEPA!!
by Janie
31 minutes 19 seconds ago
Behind Every Great Hunter
by Janie
33 minutes 24 seconds ago
Salmon River Report
by Steve Hammel
Today at 01:09 AM
NE Fugitive Hunt: Check Your Game Cam's
by muskyman62
Today at 01:06 AM
Who wants to be a hero?
by Danesdad
Today at 01:02 AM
Pellet Stoves (best-worst)
by atr
Today at 12:25 AM
New Topics
Alan Jackson
by atr
Today at 12:21 AM
Anybody have any?
by 001kds
Yesterday at 10:48 PM
Saturdays youth hunt!
by bowhnter
Yesterday at 09:50 PM
Shale
by smallie1
Yesterday at 08:35 PM
SP Boss
by lonnielou688
Yesterday at 08:13 PM
Fur Buyer
by Gill33
Yesterday at 07:50 PM
Pellet Stoves (best-worst)
by OneLongShot
Yesterday at 07:12 PM
Top Posters
great white hunter 35147
RonM 29734
RB-HPA 27814
Bluetick 23808
DennyF 22892
TATERDAVID 22654
SigPro2340 21462
Peppy 20813
DIYASUB 20383
timberdoodle 19066
Forum Stats
33304 Members
99 Forums
110132 Topics
1390921 Posts

Max Online: 1692 @ Mon Dec 02 2013 08:38 PM

Please note: To post or reply to posts you must be a registered member and be logged in. You can register by clicking on New User on the message board menu.