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post #291 of 300 (permalink) Old 02-11-2017, 06:37 AM
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The claim of people using FMJ or "Wrong" bullets for deer hunting is laughable. Anyone can spend 5 minutes online and/or make a few phone calls to the manufacturers and get the information they need to determine what bullets are legal and suitable for deer hunting.

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post #292 of 300 (permalink) Old 02-13-2017, 01:35 PM
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FMJ bullets are illegal for big game hunting. Just as lead shot is illegal for waterfowl hunting. I think people are pretty compliant with the steel or non-lead shot. I think the same results would be realized for semis.

I mean, dove/quail/trap loads for a 12ga are the cheapest. Around $5 a box. But I never hear about anyone hunting goose or turkey with low brass #8 shot.

I don't know if the move away from lead shot happened seamlessly. Maybe some guys resisted at first? I really don't know. You could always have fines for carrying FMJs whlie deer hunting and have WCO check ammo.
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Does any person on this site think we need more regulations?If you do why do questions constantly pop up about ones we already have and quite a few people can't understand or agree on the interpretation of said regulations?No wonder there is a lawyer for every 700 people in the USA.Not one person on here would be willing to take a shot from any firearm ever made.I don't care if it's rimfire,centerfire,flintlock,rolling block or pinfire.It will kill you with a properly placed shot.My dad killed hogs on the farm with a 22 revolver.
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You dad stunned hogs with a 22 revolver, so they could be cut and bled while the heart was still beating too pump the blood out.

The laws in Pennsylvania and most regulations are written according to a certain "style", usually by the Legislative reference bureau in Harrisburg. The big problem is having people who have no idea what the rule/law is about trying to word the language of it. The above referenced, heretofore's, except as stated below, etc are the ridiculous result of the way out state passes laws. Act no 18, of 1985, amends the following sections of Act 134 of 1944 and Act 56 of 1923. Instead of having a straightforward statute. that fits into a set title and chapter. When i was in grad school, the statutes of Wyoming, were set forth in a three volume set of loose leaf notebooks. When a law was changed the old page(s) were pulled out and the new put in. No need to go back to some 1923 law to see what was being changed. We do now have "Consolidated statutes" that are supposed to be slowing doing away with the old session law system. But the legislature is slow about it and when it does, it over looks situations that often go uncorrected for decades. That is why we have an aeronautical trespass law, a criminal trespass law, an ATV trespass law, a Game trespass law, a motor vehicle trespass law and one or two other trespass laws I can't recall off hand. The 1972 Crimes Code, left out certain common law defenses for self protection that existed for centuries under English law. For instance, the use of lethal force by a victim to discourage or prevent a robbery. Under common law, if approached by two menacing thugs, who demand your wallet, you had a right to beat them off with a cane, shoot them with a gun. Not under today's law, unless they threaten the victim with a imminent lethal harm.
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defenses for self protection that existed for centuries under English law. For instance, the use of lethal force by a victim to discourage or prevent a robbery. Under common law, if approached by two menacing thugs, who demand your wallet, you had a right to beat them off with a cane, shoot them with a gun.
Would the cane fall under primitive weapon and would it effect the current archery season?
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not to go off topic here but about 25 years ago i once asked the DA here in Erie the same thing in Zimmerstutzens post above "if approached by two menacing thugs, who demand your wallet, you had a right to beat them off with a cane, shoot them with a gun."

the DA's answer at that time was if two guys approach you and demand your money, you pull your gun (if licensed) and tell them you want no trouble and back away. if they continue to approach and demand your money you only have one option at that point, and that is to use the gun because they really mean to do you some harm even if they are not showing a weapon, you can not let them take yours.

he also said he would not be pressing charges against the intended victim in a case like this. i liked him. (as a DA )

and if i had my AR an someone broke into my home, i wouldn't worry about what caliber it was i would probably say "Oh Dear, call 911"

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I'm all for a 6mm minimum if AR's are allowed.
So the 25-20, 32-20, 30 carbine would be legal but a 22-250 with much more energy is not legal?

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So the 25-20, 32-20, 30 carbine would be legal but a 22-250 with much more energy is not legal?
I don't think we would see a big run of folks rushing out to buy these chamberings.
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So the 25-20, 32-20, 30 carbine would be legal but a 22-250 with much more energy is not legal?
I meant to say we need a 6mm minimum for Bear, not Deer.

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I'll make post #300. The .222 kills just like a 30-06 with proper bullets. It's cut and dry. It's a fact and that's the end of discussion.

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